The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[BOZO]

I thought you may disagree and go for the predictable cliche, by picking wins over the other better sides in the comp, but I'll try explain the difference expecting another challenging post.
The Penrith game Manly were on top from the outset actually winning contacts and contests across the field.
Penrith were not really in it - Manly dominated from the start so didn't get to a "tough" game
Roosters were clunky and it was simply Roosters outdone by the better team.
The Melbourne games however was far different....they had all the momentum, calls and for the final 15 minutes Manly dug deep and had a gutsy win against the odds
Manly held their line with heart not shown in the other games and showed way more resilience to get the 2 points....unlike the other games....unless we talk about Roosters having 1 last minute of side to side footy and a last ditch crap kick that went to Vaega.
And the soft stuff, we'll check the results after giving up big leads as I don't want to break it down more for you

What is the moral of your story here feathered friend maxta ?

 

[maxta]

What is the moral of your story here feathered friend maxta ?

The moral of the story is about mental fortitude and is like this -

Games we should have won with dominant leads and gave it up = soft

When opposition get in an arm wrestle if attrition we are first to fold = soft

 

[BOZO]

The moral of the story is about mental fortitude and is like this -

Games we should have won with dominant leads and gave it up = soft

When opposition get in an arm wrestle if attrition we are first to fold = soft

Thank you feathered friend
Your moral of your story was very well poetically executed

 

[Ryan]

I get everyone is frustrated with Manly not leading the comp undefeated, but this 'soft team that folds under pressure' is simplistic in my opinion.

Our win v Storm the exception? So you think we folded in big games v Penrith and Chooks? That we won! Or in the historic Las Vegas game, coming from behind 3 times against a side (then) one of the premiership favourites? How about in the tight games v Eels and Titans at Brookie? Manly didn't fold.

Assuming there is no accountability is also simplistic. Accountability is effected behind closed doors during the working week, every week, not at a 4 minute post-game presser. Seibold has made tough calls on our roster, and he's also dropped players. As for players lacking 100% commitment, toughness and desperation... I simply disagree! The only Manly player who could be questioned in that regard was cut from the club despite being on a big contract.

I think some fans underestimate just how tough, and how even, the NRL is this year. Broncos have lost 7 games! Roosters have lost 6!! Manly has lost 6! Storm are leading the comp with only 3 losses - one was to Manly!

None of this means I believe Manly will win the comp this year, I see positions that need strengthening in our top 17, plus in squad depth, but both are already better than last year. And we still might win! Our best performances have certainly been high quality.

Are you asking us to be satisfied with 11th - 13th? Because we beat Storm? And the competition is tough ? It's tough for 16 other teams as well.

But here we are, 10 years in the making, averaging 10th / 11th over that span. And it's simplistic to suggest we are soft you say ? I think it's prudent tbh. Defense sets the tone for many things, i.e. willingness to fight with and for each other, mental toughness, intensity, effort. Most other things fall off the back of that. Soft is the perfect analogy of this playing group, because our defense is laughable.

Like you appropriately say, everyone's entitled to their opinions. But I just can't get my head around all the satisfaction, contentment, and with some, even praise for our position and situation? It defies belief for me. We've become a club encumbered by excuses makers and excuse providers, and excuse acceptors.

BUT, here we are. Could finish 13th at rounds end. I just struggle to find the positives in that. But I'm sure there will be plenty here to share.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I get everyone is frustrated with Manly not leading the comp undefeated, but this 'soft team that folds under pressure' is simplistic in my opinion.

Our win v Storm the exception? So you think we folded in big games v Penrith and Chooks? That we won! Or in the historic Las Vegas game, coming from behind 3 times against a side (then) one of the premiership favourites? How about in the tight games v Eels and Titans at Brookie? Manly didn't fold.

Assuming there is no accountability is also simplistic. Accountability is effected behind closed doors during the working week, every week, not at a 4 minute post-game presser. Seibold has made tough calls on our roster, and he's also dropped players. As for players lacking 100% commitment, toughness and desperation... I simply disagree! The only Manly player who could be questioned in that regard was cut from the club despite being on a big contract.

I think some fans underestimate just how tough, and how even, the NRL is this year. Broncos have lost 7 games! Roosters have lost 6!! Manly has lost 6! Storm are leading the comp with only 3 losses - one was to Manly!

None of this means I believe Manly will win the comp this year, I see positions that need strengthening in our top 17, plus in squad depth, but both are already better than last year. And we still might win! Our best performances have certainly been high quality.

I've also noticed the game is officiated in ways that see huge momentum swings and lots of points again (not quite 2021, but close). To see the red hot Sharks side concede 42 points to zip against an understrength Penrith at home, speaks to a pretty crazy climate. I think we're one of the only sides in the competition not to be thrashed badly. The effort is definitely there, I just think our middles are a fair way behind a lot of other sides. We look fairly well coached and purposeful this year but it is a tough competition. This notion that standards and excuses play a role in our current ladder position is baloney. We are out there giving it a red hot crack and sometimes are not good enough but that's not because of something Seibs says in a press-conference or down to his mediocre standards. I'm sure he really wants to win, but acting like a cranky school teacher after the game is not the answer. Also, what's with this idea that the standards of fans on this forum have a bearing on our success?! I doubt my positivity is contributing to our matchplay, but anyway...the ride is enjoyable!

 

[maxta]

I've also noticed the game is officiated in ways that see huge momentum swings and lots of points again (not quite 2021, but close). To see the red hot Sharks side concede 42 points to zip against an understrength Penrith at home, speaks to a pretty crazy climate. I think we're one of the only sides in the competition not to be thrashed badly. The effort is definitely there, I just think our middles are a fair way behind a lot of other sides. We look fairly well coached and purposeful this year but it is a tough competition. This notion that standards and excuses play a role in our current ladder position is baloney. We are out there giving it a red hot crack and sometimes are not good enough but that's not because of something Seibs says in a press-conference or down to his mediocre standards. I'm sure he really wants to win, but acting like a cranky school teacher after the game is not the answer. Also, what's with this idea that the standards of fans on this forum have a bearing on our success?! I doubt my positivity is contributing to our matchplay, but anyway...the ride is enjoyable!

Firstly there's no baloney in having standards, all Winners set standards and are not happy unless they hit those standards.
1 thing right is positivity not contributing to success, but acceptance to mediocrity.
The cranky school teacher like Des who ripped off a door seemed to work..
As does Bellamy slobbering like a bloodhound seems to work.
Like I stated, Seibold is doing ok, but needs to add a tougher edge when the going gets tough or expect the same mediocre results or worse.

 

[Will on the hill]

Are you asking us to be satisfied with 11th - 13th? Because we beat Storm? And the competition is tough ? It's tough for 16 other teams as well.

But here we are, 10 years in the making, averaging 10th / 11th over that span. And it's simplistic to suggest we are soft you say ? I think it's prudent tbh. Defense sets the tone for many things, i.e. willingness to fight with and for each other, mental toughness, intensity, effort. Most other things fall off the back of that. Soft is the perfect analogy of this playing group, because our defense is laughable.

Like you appropriately say, everyone's entitled to their opinions. But I just can't get my head around all the satisfaction, contentment, and with some, even praise for our position and situation? It defies belief for me. We've become a club encumbered by excuses makers and excuse providers, and excuse acceptors.

BUT, here we are. Could finish 13th at rounds end. I just struggle to find the positives in that. But I'm sure there will be plenty here to share.

Win and we will be 7th. No ones saying we don't need to improve but the fat lady hasn't sung on our season yet.

 

[BOZO]

Are you asking us to be satisfied with 11th - 13th? Because we beat Storm? And the competition is tough ? It's tough for 16 other teams as well.
But here we are, 10 years in the making, averaging 10th / 11th over that span.

We are all different @Ryan
The fact is Only People with low standards are easily satisfied , and people with low standards seem to be Passive people as No Passionate person is satisfied with underachievement's .
The only Satisfaction for Passionate Manly people with high standards is Manly Success

Manly successful Benchmark premiership winning years that define our Legendary clubs Greatness was built by Passionate Manly People with high standards
Those successful Manly Souls are our Five Star High Standard Benchmark of Success

 

[BOZO]

Win and we will be 7th. No ones saying we don't need to improve but the fat lady hasn't sung on our season yet.

Well said and we all hope that our fat coach starts winning
The more he wins the more he will be loved
Passionate Manly people love Manly Winners

 

[BOZO]

..the ride is enjoyable!

All Passionate Manly souls are all here for the ride and the ride is only enjoyable when we win
After all...... Winning is The Manly Way and the Only Way to Manly Success

 

[JenEagle]

Pretty low down the pecking order though Jen - what with Saab, Talau, Garrick, Paulo (and possibly even Hoppa) skating in front of him as wingers go.

Yeah agree. Although I like Vaega more than Paulo. Maybe even Saab. (Big call)

 

[BOZO]

Firstly there's no baloney in having standards, all Winners set standards and are not happy unless they hit those standards.

Like I stated, Seibold is doing ok,

I agree that we all set different standards and high standards are important to set so we can strive to achieve our high feat

The high standards Perspective ....
Doing ok in the English dictionary means Not Bad
When you dont make the top 8 it is Not Good...... and it fails the high standards category

Last season Seibold did not get his team into the top 8 and this season his team is currently also out of the top 8 and TWO YEARS IN A ROW FAILING TO BE IN THE TOP 8 is Not Good its Not OK .
Its Bad News for the club. the proud and Passionate supporters and for the head coach.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Firstly there's no baloney in having standards, all Winners set standards and are not happy unless they hit those standards.
1 thing right is positivity not contributing to success, but acceptance to mediocrity.
The cranky school teacher like Des who ripped off a door seemed to work..
As does Bellamy slobbering like a bloodhound seems to work.
Like I stated, Seibold is doing ok, but needs to add a tougher edge when the going gets tough or expect the same mediocre results or worse.

I think it’s baloney because I believe we do have standards. Seibs doesn’t have to rubbish his players in press conferences to demonstrate them. It’s happening behind closed doors where it matters, not media conferences and supporter forums.

Also, Seibs can only be himself. I don’t want him ripping doors and kicking chairs if it’s not his go. Ivan Cleary doesn’t carry on and he’s won the last three comps.

I’m not buying into this narrative that’s being spun on the forum, because it’s baseless.

 

[maxta]

I agree that we all set different standards and high standards are important to set so we can strive to achieve our high feat

The high standards Perspective ....
Doing ok in the English dictionary means Not Bad
When you dont make the top 8 it is Not Good...... and it fails the high standards category

Last season Seibold did not get his team into the top 8 and this season his team is currently also out of the top 8 and TWO YEARS IN A ROW FAILING TO BE IN THE TOP 8 is Not Good its Not OK .
Its Bad News for the club. the proud and Passionate supporters and for the head coach.

Your a favourite of mine here Bozo
Pretty much FEEL your love for this almighty club
And things like STANDARDS and ACCOUNTABILITY resonate with me big time.
I still feel Seibold deserves a bit more time to prove himself and has some good attributes as a coach, I really feel once Tom comes back we are close to a Top 4 contender if we add that bit of toughness

 

[LeonardCohen]

Your a favourite of mine here Bozo
Pretty much FEEL your love for this almighty club
And things like STANDARDS and ACCOUNTABILITY resonate with me big time.
I still feel Seibold deserves a bit more time to prove himself and has some good attributes as a coach, I really feel once Tom comes back we are close to a Top 4 contender if we add that bit of toughness

You know a club can have standards and accountability and still miss the top 8 because there are 16 other teams competing right?

 

[maxta]

You know a club can have standards and accountability and still miss the top 8 because there are 16 other teams competing right?

I think we went through this earlier and learned those teams with higher standards made the top 8 right ??

 

[BOZO]

Your a favourite of mine here Bozo
Pretty much FEEL your love for this almighty club
And things like STANDARDS and ACCOUNTABILITY resonate with me big time.
I still feel Seibold deserves a bit more time to prove himself and has some good attributes as a coach, I really feel once Tom comes back we are close to a Top 4 contender if we add that bit of toughness

The fact is we all love people that are similar to us and this is why us passionate Manly people love our club and each other my feathered friend maxta
Proud and Passionate Manly people love Manly winners and if our head coach wins a Manly Premiership we will love him too
The only way to passionate Manly peoples hearts is by Winning for Manly
Losers Degrade our club and we dont approve of our Legendary club being degraded

Jamie Lyon the ex eel became a Loved Manly Great Winning Legend

 

[BOZO]

You know a club can have standards and accountability and still miss the top 8 because there are 16 other teams competing right?

And this is why clubs dismiss the ones that fail to reach their high standards

 

[Hertera]

To suggest we have standards and accountability is laughable. We are letting in almost 23 points per game with no improvement seen.

Show me a team with some pride in their line and Seibold can stay but he hasn't show any interest in fixing the issues.

 

[BOZO]

Also, Seibs can only be himself.

I agree we all can only be our selves and we are all accountable for our own results