The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

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Woodsie

Feast yer eyes ..
Tipping Member
I love how some people look for loopholes to make a coach's record look impressive. lol

So .. you sound like someone who thinks that Tim Sheen's coaching record will be defined by last nights game ... or that Robinson's career will be judged on his 2023 results ...
 
Exactly what the Canberra raiders have been saying about tricky for the past 20 years
Ricky to his credit has won a ring, but he's had a very dry spell so I can understand that sentiment. Both Robinson and Sheens, on the whole have been good coaches, imo. Sheens has been out of coaching for a while, but I think he's been ok. Same as Robinson.
 

Woodsie

Feast yer eyes ..
Tipping Member
Ricky to his credit has won a ring, but he's had a very dry spell so I can understand that sentiment. Both Robinson and Sheens, on the whole have been good coaches, imo. Sheens has been out of coaching for a while, but I think he's been ok. Same as Robinson.

You appear to be avoiding my point ... judging a coach by a short term is fraught with errors
 
You appear to be avoiding my point ... judging a coach by a short term is fraught with errors
How so. Until he wins a ring, my assessment of him is unchanged. How long do you want to give him before assessing he is a good coach.He's in his 5th year. Results so far, prove otherwise. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree , then thats ok.
 

Ryan

Journey Man
How so. Until he wins a ring, my assessment of him is unchanged. How long do you want to give him before assessing he is a good coach.He's in his 5th year. Results so far, prove otherwise. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree , then thats ok.

Mate, the clubs taken some pretty big steps to give him the team he wants next season. We have to at least give him until end 2024 before we think about re-assessing.

Think about it like this. In the past 6-7 years, we've had Michael Monaghan, Chad Randall, John Cartwright, Trent Barrett, Des Hasler, Shane Flannagan, Geoff Toovey, Anthony Siebold, Jim Dymock, Steven Hales etc etc etc (take your pick - all different types, flavours, experiences, cultures, strategies), and none of them have consistently aided us in being successful.

So where do you draw the line here? Can't keep sacking them.

It's the playing roster / the culture here. And that's being changed. Therefore, you have to stick with what you have in coaching now for a while, give the reins to them, and let them steer the ship.
 

StuBoot

Bencher
You appear to be avoiding my point ... judging a coach by a short term is fraught with errors
Exactly, just the same as players.

I've always said that you can't really judge until their contract is up, plus we all have differing views on what a successful season/term/contract is.
I remember some mates bagging Kite after a less than stellar first season at Manly (2005) and we know how that turned out.
Just one example, l know but...

Coach's are a bit different as they generally inherit a squad of players that they didn't assemble so it's how they mould the squad and regenerate it that is the issue.

Ciraldo had the biggest wraps on him and a head start on recruitment with pretty much an open chequebook, are the Dogs any better than last year?
Arguably no, but he's got four more years to see if his coaching philosophy works.

At least Seibold has gone to market, something that most lamented with Des.

Time will tell.
 
Mate, the clubs taken some pretty big steps to give him the team he wants next season. We have to at least give him until end 2024 before we think about re-assessing.

Think about it like this. In the past 6-7 years, we've had Michael Monaghan, Chad Randall, John Cartwright, Trent Barrett, Des Hasler, Shane Flannagan, Geoff Toovey, Anthony Siebold, Jim Dymock, Steven Hales etc etc etc (take your pick - all different types, flavours, experiences, cultures, strategies), and none of them have consistently aided us in being successful.

So where do you draw the line here? Can't keep sacking them.

It's the playing roster / the culture here. And that's being changed. Therefore, you have to stick with what you have in coaching now for a while, give the reins to them, and let them steer the ship.
That's a fair assessment. Im not a big fan of his coaching, but yeah I think a longer window makes sense in that respect. I hope Im wrong.
 

Eagles4Life

Bencher
Premium Member
Tipping Member
How so. Until he wins a ring, my assessment of him is unchanged. How long do you want to give him before assessing he is a good coach.He's in his 5th year. Results so far, prove otherwise. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree , then thats ok.
His numbers when compared to a lot of other current NRL coaches are pretty similar. In fact, when comparing his numbers (win/loss %) to Kevin Walter's numbers, they are almost exactly the same. His numbers would suggest that he is an average NRL coach, but certainly no worse than a lot of his peers. Personally, I think out of all of the other similar NRL coaches (excluding Bellamy, Cleary, Robinson, Bennett etc), Seibold has the greatest upside. He is currently shaping the Manly side for 2024/2025. Let's see how he goes next season (I see him improving his win/loss percentage with us to around the 60% range next year). Go Manly.

TeamNameTime as coachPremWLDGCWin%PremWLDGCWin%
CurrentCareer
BrisbaneKevin Walters2 years, 235 days0273005748%0273005748%
CanberraRicky Stuart9 years, 235 days0115107122351.8%1236230246850.5%
Canterbury-BankstownCameron Ciraldo235 days04601040%07901644%
Cronulla-SutherlandCraig Fitzgibbon1 year, 235 days0221103367%0221103367%
Gold CoastJim Lenihan2 days000000%000000%
Manly-WarringahAnthony Seibold235 days0441948%0363927747%
MelbourneCraig Bellamy20 years, 279 days3364158252469.8%3365158252569.5%
New ZealandAndrew Webster235 days05501050%05801338.5%
NewcastleAdam O'Brien3 years, 235 days0324628041.5%0324628041.5%
North QueenslandTodd Payten2 years, 235 days0293106048%0353907448.5%
ParramattaBrad Arthur9 years, 235 days0126115024152.4%0126115024152.4%
PenrithIvan Cleary4 years, 235 days27824110375.8%2218178439855.3%
DolphinsWayne Bennett235 days06401060%75613221489763%
South SydneyJason Demetriou1 year, 235 days0231403762.3%0231403762.3
St. George IllawarraRyan Carr39 days0220450%0220450%
Sydney RoostersTrent Robinson10 years, 235 days316693025964.5%316693025964.5%
Wests TigersTim Sheens235 days0270922%43423291168150.4%
 

The Who

Journey Man
There won't be any Manly supporter proud of the performance of the team this year. They have underperformed. We are a team that relies too heavily on two players, DCE and Turbo, and we know why we have struggled.
But just how many of the 17 clubs' fans would be proud? I'd say not that many: Penrith, Worriers, Newcastle, 'Fins, possibly Melbourne . . . but I'd reckon the remainder would believe their clubs have underperformed.
 

Ryan

Journey Man
We'll end up 14th-15th in my opinion, and honestly, that exceeded expectations, because I'm pretty sure I said 15th-16th.
 

silver

Reserve Grader
We’ll get the same garbage next year. I thought Barrett was an oxygen thief of a coach but Seidud is right on par with him. We’ll be battling for the spoon next year. The fact he picks Woods and Ben Turbo is astonishing. Both are plodders and would struggle for Blacktown.
 

Brocky

Reserve Grader
If you are happy with this, you are part of the problem, we have DEFINITELY LOST OUR IDENTIT, no longer are we that force we used to be. Seibold is not the coach we need, we need a new owner maybe delete toovey ticket.
i see nothing Manly in this organization
how the mighty fall
four players on a nearly a million and more and we don’t play finals. Are clubs do just fine when they get injuries.
schuster and Jake and turbo well over paid. And DCE at least he is giving it all without him how bad could we be.????
joke is on us.
 

The '47ers

Your resident two-headed Queenslander
Teams performances are really hard to pick. We’re as good s chance of winning all the remaining games as we are losing them.

Depends which Warriors side shows up, you just don't know with them. But I'd expect we win the other two games. Or am I still living in delusion. Or maybe it depends on which Manly team turns up I should say!
 
Team P W L PD Pts
17 14 3 141 34
17 12 5 118 30
17 11 6 125 28
18 11 7 209 26
18 10 7 97 25
17 9 8 63 24
17 9 8 46 24
18 10 8 3 24
17 9 8 -56 24
17 8 9 -91 22
18 8 10 25 20
17 7 10 -90 20
18 8 10 -97 20
18 7 10 -34 19
17 6 11 -89 18
17 4 13 -153 14
18 4 14 -217 12
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