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[Cameron]

As is talkin sports constant comments about our club being speculation

 

[lsz]

Yep Cam - they should know better but.....

1. It is an appealing story to non manly fans (that we are "cheating")
2. It generates content etc

Nothing different to a tabloid....exactly what hughes is meant to oppose

 

[swoop]

You'll have to factor 3rd party payments in aswell.

 

[Technical Coach]

Not sure why the Brett Stewart saga has to be opened up again---it's old news but keeping in line with the topics mentioned here are my own views.

I'm still 50/50 in both the actions taken by the NRL and if Brett is 100% innocent.

I always believe innocent until proven guilty and yes Brett was not afforded this respect but like Labour with the current issues surrounding a certain politician your in a catch 22 position if your too tough or not tough enough so you can never win.

In saying that below are things that i use to weigh up the situation.

1) Correct me if i'm wrong did Manly not inflame the situation with the first findings they delivered to the NRL not long after the incident(if i'm wrong i stand corrected been so long ago)

2)Do i think the media exaggerated what really happened---Yes, do i think something happened in some drunken larrikin capacity that may have been somewhat inappropriate---gut feeling Yes.

3)My gut feeling prediction as to what a certain close person to Brett would do after the case ended feeds a more negative outlook on the situation. I hate myself for being a gut feeling kind of guy with people(usually right though) but we are human and sometimes gut instinct is all we have even though in some respects it's shallow.

In terms of Manly and the salary cap---to me you have to be one eyed to ignore the obvious---do i care if we are breaking the cap--"no" as i hate the salary cap fullstop.

In relation to crowd figures Manly supporters will come out in their droves for quality meaningful games---The Cowboys game at the SFS i doubt any Sydney team would have attracted a larger crowd. To be honest some wet and cold day/night crowds we have had at Brookie over the years with limited comfortable seating is amazing but papers only prefer to look at the negatives when it comes to Manly and crowds.

 

[torana355]

They are calling you naive right now Berks. They say forwards don't get more then 300k because they only play 40mins a game.

 

[TWO DOGS]

Not sure why the Brett Stewart saga has to be opened up again---it's old news but keeping in line with the topics mentioned here are my own views.

I'm still 50/50 in both the actions taken by the NRL and if Brett is 100% innocent.

I always believe innocent until proven guilty and yes Brett was not afforded this respect but like Labour with the current issues surrounding a certain politician your in a catch 22 position if your too tough or not tough enough so you can never win.

In saying that below are things that i use to weigh up the situation.

1) Correct me if i'm wrong did Manly not inflame the situation with the first findings they delivered to the NRL not long after the incident(if i'm wrong i stand corrected been so long ago)

2)Do i think the media exaggerated what really happened---Yes, do i think something happened in some drunken larrikin capacity that may have been somewhat inappropriate---gut feeling Yes.

3)My gut feeling prediction as to what a certain close person to Brett would do after the case ended feeds a more negative outlook on the situation. I hate myself for being a gut feeling kind of guy with people(usually right though) but we are human and sometimes gut instinct is all we have even though in some respects it's shallow.

In terms of Manly and the salary cap---to me you have to be one eyed to ignore the obvious---do i care if we are breaking the cap--"no" as i hate the salary cap fullstop.

In relation to crowd figures Manly supporters will come out in their droves for quality meaningful games---The Cowboys game at the SFS i doubt any Sydney team would have attracted a larger crowd. To be honest some wet and cold day/night crowds we have had at Brookie over the years with limited comfortable seating is amazing but papers only prefer to look at the negatives when it comes to Manly and crowds.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I disagree totally with your suggestion that Brett was somehow guilty of sexual assault. The court found him not guilty and I believe it was also said that he was not even drunk. Very ordinary performance to denigrate an innocent man.

 

[Technical Coach]

Not sure why the Brett Stewart saga has to be opened up again---it's old news but keeping in line with the topics mentioned here are my own views.

I'm still 50/50 in both the actions taken by the NRL and if Brett is 100% innocent.

I always believe innocent until proven guilty and yes Brett was not afforded this respect but like Labour with the current issues surrounding a certain politician your in a catch 22 position if your too tough or not tough enough so you can never win.

In saying that below are things that i use to weigh up the situation.

1) Correct me if i'm wrong did Manly not inflame the situation with the first findings they delivered to the NRL not long after the incident(if i'm wrong i stand corrected been so long ago)

2)Do i think the media exaggerated what really happened---Yes, do i think something happened in some drunken larrikin capacity that may have been somewhat inappropriate---gut feeling Yes.

3)My gut feeling prediction as to what a certain close person to Brett would do after the case ended feeds a more negative outlook on the situation. I hate myself for being a gut feeling kind of guy with people(usually right though) but we are human and sometimes gut instinct is all we have even though in some respects it's shallow.

In terms of Manly and the salary cap---to me you have to be one eyed to ignore the obvious---do i care if we are breaking the cap--"no" as i hate the salary cap fullstop.

In relation to crowd figures Manly supporters will come out in their droves for quality meaningful games---The Cowboys game at the SFS i doubt any Sydney team would have attracted a larger crowd. To be honest some wet and cold day/night crowds we have had at Brookie over the years with limited comfortable seating is amazing but papers only prefer to look at the negatives when it comes to Manly and crowds.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I disagree totally with your suggestion that Brett was somehow guilty of sexual assault. The court found him not guilty and I believe it was also said that he was not even drunk. Very ordinary performance to denigrate an innocent man.

I stated "inappropriate" not "sexual assualt".

 

[Top End Eagle]

Should have left that alone TC. Dribble. Such a shame you have to suffer having those usually right gut feelings you poor thing.

Go back and finish the next fifteen page post about how our attack or defence could be improved.

Those are technically more accurate.

Great posting pseudonym too by the way. Very humble.

 

[Technical Coach]

Funny how a differing point of view from the masses in these parts invariably attracts a "dribble" comment---i tend to find one eyed people express more dribble but hey that's life.

None of us know the facts 100% i just find people tend to soften their views when it's clouded in a one eye mentality.

In the end i state my opinion to balance out all the overly pro thoughts that are being displayed---a sort of "hey hold on lets not get too carried away here"

Do you ever see me put down other posters---if i don't like a comment or style of writing i ignore it----if i disagree i state why--- it really is not that hard to do.

I'll save the 15 page post on more technical matters for middle 2013 early 2014 when i get the call to return to the fold.

Why be humble when greatness is all in the mind no matter how deluded most of us are.

 

[voicefromthehill]

TC - not sure where you decided this was "dragged up". I believe the poster just used an existing thread about "Talking Sport". Check the original post date (you may have) there is a 1 year gap. The Stewart saga was not part of the new thrust of the thread started today.

Believe it was a valiant effort to not add a new thread to an already over burdened board. And while I may disagree with your thoughts they are presented reasonably so am happy to say lets disagree

 

[Technical Coach]

TC - not sure where you decided this was "dragged up". I believe the poster just used an existing thread about "Talking Sport". Check the original post date (you may have) there is a 1 year gap. The Stewart saga was not part of the new thrust of the thread started today.

Believe it was a valiant effort to not add a new thread to an already over burdened board. And while I may disagree with your thoughts they are presented reasonably so am happy to say lets disagree

Sorry did not check the original date lol i take the "rehashing" comments back. I actually clicked on the 2sm live link to listen to the "Pro Manly" comments at the time but to no avail---i wonder why hehe.

But everything else i said stands---i know it comes across as shallow and not giving the benefit of the doubt but to be honest in many facets of life people are the same i'm just openly honest about my character flaws.

 

[Berkeley_Eagle]

The thread is mainly supposed to be To discuss things that happen on 2sm talkinsport on weekday Arvo's from 3pm

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

Gut feeling on a bloke you don't know at all, yet you toss that **** around. Never mind what the people with the facts in court come up with, you have your gut feeling.
My guts treat that sort of post the same way they treat a hot curry

It is amusing the amount of garbage you toss into your posts implying you are superior because you aren't a fan etc

Ignore list

 

[Technical Coach]

Gut feeling on a bloke you don't know at all, yet you toss that s**t around. Never mind what the people with the facts in court come up with, you have your gut feeling.
My guts treat that sort of post the same way they treat a hot curry

It is amusing the amount of garbage you toss into your posts implying you are superior because you aren't a fan etc

Ignore list

So your saying you only make your judgements based on fact----i guess that shows your character flaw in that your not honest enough to admit your failings.

Like when people say "i'm not racist" we all are no matter how perfect you feel.

 

[MrInvisible]

Sorry but some of these aren't even close.

I'll address the ones that are public knowledge

My honest estimation:-

01. Ben Barba - 180k
02. Steve Turner - 140k
03. Josh Morris - 320k
04. Krisnan Inu - 310k (from next year)
05. Bryson Goodwin - 80k
06. Josh Reynolds - 80k
07. Trent Hodkinson - 310k
08. Sam Kasiano - 275k
09. Michael Ennis - 320k
10. James Graham - 400k
11. Frank Pritchard - 290k
12. Tony Williams - 600k
13. Greg Eastwood - 240k

14. Dene Halatau - 180k
15. Aiden Tolman - 150k
16. Corey Payne - 120k
17. David Stagg - 240k

Kris Keating is on $180k in final year.
Inu is on $50k this season, $225k per season for remainder of contract.
Wright is on a 1 year $80k contract.
Hodkinson is on a $266k per year contract over next 2 years.

With the others:
05. Bryson Goodwin - 80k
Higher

08. Sam Kasiano - 275k
Lower

09. Michael Ennis - 320k
LOWER

10. James Graham - 400k
MUCH LOWER

11. Frank Pritchard - 290k
LOWER

12. Tony Williams - 600k
MUCH LOWER

13. Greg Eastwood - 240k
LOWER

17. David Stagg - 240k
LOWER

Hmmmm. To be fair, I'll only include known players.

01. Brett Stewart 375k
02. Jorge Taufua 70k
03. Steve Matai 240k
04. Jamie Lyon 440k
05. Michael Oldfield 60k
06. Kieran Foran 400k
07. Daly Cherry-Evans 365k
08. Jason King 220k
09. Matt Ballin 250k
10. Brent Kite 220k
11. Anthony Watmough 300k
12. Jamie Buhrer 140k
13. Glenn Stewart 325k

14. Liam Foran 60k
15. George Rose 90k
16. Darcy Lussick 180k
17. Vic Mauro 100k

That's around 3,835,000, leaving 565,000 for remaining contracts or around 70,625 each (which is right on the money.)

May not have been exact. Could have been +/- but the numbers add up at least. I think Brett will be closer to 300k, DCE closer to 300k & Gift maybe 280k odd, but like I say, in the end it evens out to about right.

Also consider our players have publicly stated they are taking pay-cuts to remain.

Publically stating and actually taking pay cuts are two different things.
06. Kieran Foran 400k
MUCH HIGHER - Try $650k a season.

07. Daly Cherry-Evans 365k
MUCH HIGHER - Try $500k a season.

You'll find Rose and Oldfield on more as well.

 

[Sheikheagle]

Mr Dissapear I think you will find that neither DCE or K Foz are on the big dollars yet as their deals are back ended?

 

[voicefromthehill]

So MrI you are insinuating that Manly are breaking the cap?

 

[Technical Coach]

Yeah the figures are way off in my opinion.

 

[the mauler]

Mrs I, im sure youve still got room for Jennings, right???? lol....

 

[torana355]

lol at Mr i thinking he knows everyone's personal contracts. Have you seen Foz and DCE's contract? The media say Trex is on 600k at the Dogs but you say much its lower, the media say DCE is on 500k but you say that is correct. So they are correct for our team but much lower for your club, get the hell out of here you twit.