Strategy

[Budgie]

One for the footy heads.

Regardless of the DCE non performance in the Knights game last night, and given the available personnel, what would you lot have done when Lehi went down?

I understood the movement of Ben T to centre but when it was clear he was being monstered out there, what changes would you have made?

Really interested in your thoughts because I feel like it was a bit of a chess game where Seibold made his move and the Knights twit countered and Seibold made no other move. Couldn't he have countered with a bit of a left field (I dunno Haumole to centre?) meaning Knights had to change again?

As it was, it was just a Knight move to checkmate.

 

[Ohgeez]

One for the footy heads.

Regardless of the DCE non performance in the Knights game last night, and given the available personnel, what would you lot have done when Lehi went down?

I understood the movement of Ben T to centre but when it was clear he was being monstered out there, what changes would you have made?

Really interested in your thoughts because I feel like it was a bit of a chess game where Seibold made his move and the Knights twit countered and Seibold made no other move. Couldn't he have countered with a bit of a left field (I dunno Haumole to centre?) meaning Knights had to change again?

As it was, it was just a Knight move to checkmate.

Garrick to left side where all the damage was being done & Waddell or Burbo right centre on Hunt who was in his 4th NRL would have been the move I made.

The real damage was done when Talau went off for 15 minutes, we had a couple sets on their try line & couldn’t get anything going in attack with back rowers at centre & a fullback that lacks ball skills. By the time he came back on we had been running uphill for 15 minutes & couldn’t recover. IMO we win if Tommy stays on but that’s just hypotheticals & it was embarrassing regardless

Newcastle seen Schiller getting cooked all 1st half & decided to make a switch which won them the game. Seibold sees Burbo getting lit up by Gagai + KPP & decides to ride it out

 

[God]

Crocker to Centre he tackles his heart out and is quicker than the Chromosome kid who did nothing in attack there anyway. Regardless no one would have been worse than steadybo

 

[Thewestisbest]

It's pretty hard when Waddell is viewed by the coach as the third best backrower at the club.

But we can't sign anyone else apparently. There are no other backrowers in all the NRL/Superleague world who can do a job. Superspud has signed Corey "clap my hands" Waddell for those times when we need to overcome the chaos. Clappy is the best we got. Clappy is a happy chappy.

 

[The '47ers]

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Couldn't think of where to post this so...

After a loss there's much focus on Manly's shortcomings (even more than usual) so I was slightly surprised to find Manly is leading the NRL in several stats

Most line breaks, most decoy runs, most runs, equal first in possession, line break assists, all receipts, intercepts, total kicks, total kick metres

2nd in all run metres

3rd in tries, goals, supports (whatever that is), post contact metres, kick return metres, try assists

(so not totally hopeless)

Stats

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www.nrl.com

 

[Scorpio]

One for the footy heads.

Regardless of the DCE non performance in the Knights game last night, and given the available personnel, what would you lot have done when Lehi went down?

I understood the movement of Ben T to centre but when it was clear he was being monstered out there, what changes would you have made?

Really interested in your thoughts because I feel like it was a bit of a chess game where Seibold made his move and the Knights twit countered and Seibold made no other move. Couldn't he have countered with a bit of a left field (I dunno Haumole to centre?) meaning Knights had to change again?

As it was, it was just a Knight move to checkmate.

With the 17 players listed, having a right centre (Garrick) move to the left to replace Ben at left centre was the only other option, in my opinion.

But then you'd have players on both sides out of the field playing out of position, and having to make that change in the middle of a half of football. IIRC the Knights simply swapped their right-side centre to right wing and vice versa, so they comparatively weren't too affected by this.

 

[Woodsie]

Do not underestimate the effect that being booed off the field by your hometown supporters has on the mindset of a team ... it happened to me once in an u/23's game at brookie in 1976 ... and we came out in the second half and bashed them ... we went down by 1 point, but we all grew and extra leg.

Attitude wins games

 

[Pete W]

Couldn't think of where to post this so...

After a loss there's much focus on Manly's shortcomings (even more than usual) so I was slightly surprised to find Manly is leading the NRL in several stats

Most line breaks, most decoy runs, most runs, equal first in possession, line break assists, all receipts, intercepts, total kicks, total kick metres

2nd in all run metres

3rd in tries, goals, supports (whatever that is), post contact metres, kick return metres, try assists

(so not totally hopeless)

Stats

The official NRL stats of the National Rugby League, NRL and NRLW player statistics, as well as NRL and NRLW competition statistics.

www.nrl.com

Statistically we seem to be performing pretty well. I have also noticed this defensively - coming into this round, ranked 6th for least tries conceded. A decent F/A (until this round), more disciplined in terms of infringements etc. Pretty decent stats across the board.

We've had some fairly quality wins. Considering our big 3 have been injured/out of form/external issues, coupled with the season defining injury to our best prop, it could definitely be worse.

Having said that the 3 losses to Dragons, Eels, and Knights, and more importantly, our level of performance in these games, is unacceptable for a team striving to be a title contender. It therefore seems to be less of a player or structural issue, but instead of a soft mentality and team culture.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Couldn't think of where to post this so...

After a loss there's much focus on Manly's shortcomings (even more than usual) so I was slightly surprised to find Manly is leading the NRL in several stats

Most line breaks, most decoy runs, most runs, equal first in possession, line break assists, all receipts, intercepts, total kicks, total kick metres

2nd in all run metres

3rd in tries, goals, supports (whatever that is), post contact metres, kick return metres, try assists

(so not totally hopeless)

Stats

The official NRL stats of the National Rugby League, NRL and NRLW player statistics, as well as NRL and NRLW competition statistics.

www.nrl.com

There is a lot of turd polishing going on here

But but but, we have the most line breaks and are first for decoy runs.

We are also first for blowing big half-time leads and first for losing to teams near the bottom of the ladder. At the end of it we suffered another shiit loss to another shiit team and our shiit coach thought we showed a ton of spirit. No amount of sugar coating will change that @SeaEagleRock8

 

[Budgie]

Do not underestimate the effect that being booed of the field by your hometown supporters has on the mindset of a team ... it happened to me once in an u/23's game at brookie in 1976 ... and we came out in the second half and bashed them ... we went down by 1 point, but we all grew and extra leg.

Attitude wins games

I said exactly that at half time. Not about your 1976 game, more along the lines of "oh no, they're getting booed. We can't win this"

 

[eaglebuzz]

I'm convinced that we can't win it this year without at least Aloiai playing week to week. I hope Paseka can return from his achilles in time for a run at the finals this year too. With those two back we can compete.

My concern is that we will lose too many in the meantime, and miss our chance at making the top 4.

Realistically this just won't be our year. But I'm interested to see what Siebold can do with the squad when he's not hamstrung by DCE and the Trbojevics' bloated contracts.

 

[Rafferty]

Do not underestimate the effect that being booed of the field by your hometown supporters has on the mindset of a team ... it happened to me once in an u/23's game at brookie in 1976 ... and we came out in the second half and bashed them ... we went down by 1 point, but we all grew and extra leg.

Attitude wins games

Interesting and I agree, I have a question though, if you recall, how did the coach address the room at half time?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

No amount of sugar coating will change that @SeaEagleRock8

You can call it sugar coating, maybe I like a bit of sugar to try to get rid of the bitter taste of another defeat in a game we started as favourites.
Defeat in golden point is about as close as a defeat can be but still hurts, no doubt about that.

 

[Rafferty]

With the 17 players listed, having a right centre (Garrick) move to the left to replace Ben at left centre was the only other option, in my opinion.

But then you'd have players on both sides out of the field playing out of position, and having to make that change in the middle of a half of football. IIRC the Knights simply swapped their right-side centre to right wing and vice versa, so they comparatively weren't too affected by this.

We had to make a change, they did after their debacle in the first half, to counter your suggestion, the other option was Rubes back to one and Koula back to his normal centre position, shift Ben over to play outside Olla and mark up against Hunt, who is way less experienced, especially knowing Sharpe plays on the their right side and would be their go to man and the main threat with the ball, just another option since we’re looking for other possibilities, and yes Seibs should of reacted to us getting stripped and torn to pieces on the left and attempted some kind of change, even going with the option Ohgeez and yourself mentioned, would of been proactively the right move.

Madge had to do it during the origin match when QLD keeping pining bombs at Fizzer, Coates was eventually going to get over him, smart thing to do shift Lomax over to counter. Seibs just watched on, there were options as has been pointed out.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Couldn't think of where to post this so...

After a loss there's much focus on Manly's shortcomings (even more than usual) so I was slightly surprised to find Manly is leading the NRL in several stats

Most line breaks, most decoy runs, most runs, equal first in possession, line break assists, all receipts, intercepts, total kicks, total kick metres

2nd in all run metres

3rd in tries, goals, supports (whatever that is), post contact metres, kick return metres, try assists

(so not totally hopeless)

Stats

The official NRL stats of the National Rugby League, NRL and NRLW player statistics, as well as NRL and NRLW competition statistics.

www.nrl.com

Yeah that ties in nicely with my perception of our team. People keep wanting to blow the joint up because we aren’t winning consistently but I think that’s very emotional (I get it), and not entirely well considered. Apparently we let the wrong coach go, but his Dragons got 56 points put on them last night. We look at a golden point loss as rock bottom?!

 

[Thewestisbest]

I'm convinced that we can't win it this year without at least Aloiai playing week to week. I hope Paseka can return from his achilles in time for a run at the finals this year too. With those two back we can compete.

My concern is that we will lose too many in the meantime, and miss our chance at making the top 4.

Realistically this just won't be our year. But I'm interested to see what Siebold can do with the squad when he's not hamstrung by DCE and the Trbojevics' bloated contracts.

Us top 4? You're having a lend of yourself mate.

 

[skull61]

We had to make a change, they did after their debacle in the first half, to counter your suggestion, the other option was Rubes back to one and Koula back to his normal centre position, shift Ben over to play outside Olla and mark up against Hunt, who is way less experienced, especially knowing Sharpe plays on the their right side and would be their go to man and the main threat with the ball, just another option since we’re looking for other possibilities, and yes Seibs should of reacted to us getting stripped and torn to pieces on the left and attempted some kind of change, even going with the option Ohgeez and yourself mentioned, would of been proactively the right move.

Madge had to do it during the origin match when QLD keeping pining bombs at Fizzer, Coates was eventually going to get over him, smart thing to do shift Lomax over to counter. Seibs just watched on, there were options as has been pointed out.

I just wonder what input the assistant coaches have. Couldn’t they have seen this and suggested changes. If they did did Seedud listen?

 

[Woodsie]

Interesting and I agree, I have a question though, if you recall, how did the coach address the room at half time?

It was Ray Ritchie ... and from memory he simply told us to suck it up and it was up to us how we responded ...

 

[eaglebuzz]

Us top 4? You're having a lend of yourself mate.

How is it having a lend to say that we have a chance but I don't think we will?