Story: Storm brewing as Melbourne rewrite history

Manly should release a jersey celebrating our premierships in 1959 (ref on the take), 95 (forward pass and 7 tackle), 97 (roids), 07 (storm cap) and 13 (forward pass and ref bias).

*probably parra also did something in 82 or 83 but it is yet to be discovered, and Souths in 1970.

**also has anyone noticed that the storm jerseys in question say “grand final” not “premiership”.
 
Manly should release a jersey celebrating our premierships in 1959 (ref on the take), 95 (forward pass and 7 tackle), 97 (roids), 07 (storm cap) and 13 (forward pass and ref bias).

*probably parra also did something in 82 or 83 but it is yet to be discovered, and Souths in 1970.

**also has anyone noticed that the storm jerseys in question say “grand final” not “premiership”.
That is the legal distinction as they won the game but not the Premiership Trophy.

Hence their Premiership rings should be confiscated like Gold Medals are for cheats in the Olympics !
 
what sCam, the media and others seem to forget, or not even consider, is that the 2007 and 2009 Grand Finals (as well as the 2006 and 2008 ones) are tainted by the fact Melbourne were even there.

If they weren't cheating the cap, there is nothing to even say they manage to make the 8, let alone make the Grand Final. It's why for those 2 seasons in 2007 and 2009, the whole season should effectively be made null and void. 2006 and 2008 can at least be justified in the fact that they lost despite their blatant cheating.

We all saw what happened when they were forced to play in a game where they were somewhat cap compliant. For those that have forgotten - 40 - 0.
 
Ah the classic apologist argument for cheating. Yes they were so unlucky, they just were so dumb and naive and guileless, strictly amateurs of course in the big bad business world of modern league. Just a poor new club, they were probably getting by on being managed by volunteers who worked all day in blue collar jobs and by night held the club together with chook raffles and selling sausage sandwiches at the games.
Oh no ....hang on, now I remember ....they were actually owned by ... NEWS LTD!
Seriously, that you defend them does nothing at all for your credibility I'm afraid, not that you'd be bothered by that at all as you have quite a hearty contempt for traditional league values, it seems.
Traditional League values is all about the money, Rugby League came to be from money.

Traditional League values is all about cheating at its true core, or at the very least pushing the envelope and being flexible, this is why the rules of the game are a joke due to a lack of backbone and leadership.

"Don't throw stones in glass houses" is one of the angles i am a taking, players earning capacity should not be restrained is another angle and that Melb played the same game of exceeding the cap which existed before the Storm and still to this day.

Just remember Melb paid the crazy amounts they did in response to outside pressures who were more than happy to exceed the cap also, creating an inflationary environment. Melb developed this pool of talent to be of first grade standard, wanting to retain their hard work at all costs should be commended, unlike other clubs who purchased established talent to go to the next level.(Exceeding the cap to retain players you developed vs Exceeding the cap to attract established class/quality to go to the next level i know which side of the fence i would rather be on)

Yes Melb probably did benefit from News Ltd in attracting the best quality young talent in the game at the time, but at the same time some of that talent received knock backs from other clubs.

I have other thoughts on this matter but i don't see the point in bringing them up as i will be seen as a "Non Fan".
 
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Wonderful ... the old "but others were doing it justification" ... the last resort of the morally bankrupt ... and the first defence of the Intellectually deficient .....
I value a players right to not have their earning capacity restrained over some silly rule to "even out the competition" like it is Communism 2.0.

So if Melb didn't exceed the cap and played by the rules Manly win the comp is the general consensus here right?

If you believe that then welcome to the "Intellectually deficient" crowd.
 
I value a players right to not have their earning capacity restrained over some silly rule to "even out the competition" like it is Communism 2.0.

So if Melb didn't exceed the cap and played by the rules Manly win the comp is the general consensus here right?

If you believe that then welcome to the "Intellectually deficient" crowd.

Who do ou think would’ve won @Technical Coach?
 
I value a players right to not have their earning capacity restrained over some silly rule to "even out the competition" like it is Communism 2.0.

So if Melb didn't exceed the cap and played by the rules Manly win the comp is the general consensus here right?

If you believe that then welcome to the "Intellectually deficient" crowd.

I thought you were joking before but you really are American.
 
I value a players right to not have their earning capacity restrained over some silly rule to "even out the competition" like it is Communism 2.0.

So if Melb didn't exceed the cap and played by the rules Manly win the comp is the general consensus here right?

If you believe that then welcome to the "Intellectually deficient" crowd.
The salary cap isn’t about restraining a player’s earning capacity, otherwise TPA’s would be illegal. The salary cap isn’t about evening out the competition either, otherwise the competition would be far more even than it currently is.

The salary cap has always been about limiting the spending of clubs on players, in the interests of keeping clubs both solvent in the short term and viable in the long term. Without the salary cap, we all know that clubs would spend themselves into dust for a premiership, and very few would survive for any length of time.

Fans, and club officials want to be winners, and they want it now. You’d see teams worth triple that of the opposition that sweep all before them.. then that club go broke. The landscape of the game and the teams involved would become a revolving door of success, debt and failure. The salary cap goes a long way towards mitigating the effects of glory hungry clubs seeking today’s trophy with no thought given to the future of their club..
 
The salary cap isn’t about restraining a player’s earning capacity, otherwise TPA’s would be illegal. The salary cap isn’t about evening out the competition either, otherwise the competition would be far more even than it currently is.

The salary cap has always been about limiting the spending of clubs on players, in the interests of keeping clubs both solvent in the short term and viable in the long term. Without the salary cap, we all know that clubs would spend themselves into dust for a premiership, and very few would survive for any length of time.

Fans, and club officials want to be winners, and they want it now. You’d see teams worth triple that of the opposition that sweep all before them.. then that club go broke. The landscape of the game and the teams involved would become a revolving door of success, debt and failure. The salary cap goes a long way towards mitigating the effects of glory hungry clubs seeking today’s trophy with no thought given to the future of their club..
The salary caps goals are to spread the talent "for the good of the game" and by doing so it aims to reduce the wealthy clubs capacity to tap into "unlimited funds" as the NRL feel not doing so will result in a game that is less attractive for fans, sponsors and the media.

The cap also tries to save clubs from themselves in reducing the ability of wealthy clubs to drive up the price of players to levels weaker clubs cannot sustain.

The above encourages an environment that is conducive to a restraint of trade, if clubs can't control their spending so be it, the strongest survive.

I never said a "Restraint of trade" is currently illegal, just that it should be illegal in my eyes, in the past i think it was seen as such.
(Competitions here and around the world have caps so obviously they are seen as legal in the current environment)

Having TPA's doesn't mean a restraint of trade no longer exists, it just offers an option to compensate the player outside the restrained demands within the NRL rules.

I never said i think the salary cap will even out the competition but that is "one of" the hopeful outcomes of having such a system.

Because Coaching and performance analysis is really in it's infancy in Australia(relative to professional competitions around the world) the Coaches that are above the pack will stand out and create success even under a salary cap environment---even more so as they target resources in the right areas better, know what kind of KPI's offer the best chance of success in relation to picking and recruiting players and also tactically understand the games finer points in much more detail.(Case in point Hasler vs Barrett aka me, not)

This is why Melb, Manly and the Roosters have dominated the GF's over the last decade or so, the rest of the coaches and performance analysis staff are not up to the same standard far from it, the gap is closing though as younger coaches are exposed to the above teams systems and using them elsewhere.

You could probably argue the benefits of a plan to exceed the cap to win a comp knowing full well you intend to shed players (usually the older ones) in years to come so there will be a rebuilding stage anyway---best to have the fine and be caught after the fact during a rebuilding stage.(in most cases it will only prolong the rebuild by 2-3yrs max)
 
Melbourne.

The point i am making is in relation to the "Butterfly Effect", more than one club benefited during this period.

Who would they have let go of to get under the cap and still win?

I don’t follow your butterfly effect comment. Other clubs benefited because Melbourne was over the salary cap? Or is the butterfly effect another Melbourne wrestling technique?
 
The salary caps goals are to spread the talent "for the good of the game" and by doing so it aims to reduce the wealthy clubs capacity to tap into "unlimited funds" as the NRL feel not doing so will result in a game that is less attractive for fans, sponsors and the media.

The cap also tries to save clubs from themselves in reducing the ability of wealthy clubs to drive up the price of players to levels weaker clubs cannot sustain.

The above encourages an environment that is conducive to a restraint of trade, if clubs can't control their spending so be it, the strongest survive.

I never said a "Restraint of trade" is currently illegal, just that it should be illegal in my eyes, in the past i think it was seen as such.
(Competitions here and around the world have caps so obviously they are seen as legal in the current environment)

Having TPA's doesn't mean a restraint of trade no longer exists, it just offers an option to compensate the player outside the restrained demands within the NRL rules.

I never said i think the salary cap will even out the competition but that is "one of" the hopeful outcomes of having such a system.

Because Coaching and performance analysis is really in it's infancy in Australia(relative to professional competitions around the world) the Coaches that are above the pack will stand out and create success even under a salary cap environment---even more so as they target resources in the right areas better, know what kind of KPI's offer the best chance of success in relation to picking and recruiting players and also tactically understand the games finer points in much more detail.(Case in point Hasler vs Barrett aka me, not)

This is why Melb, Manly and the Roosters have dominated the GF's over the last decade or so, the rest of the coaches and performance analysis staff are not up to the same standard far from it, the gap is closing though as younger coaches are exposed to the above teams systems and using them elsewhere.

You could probably argue the benefits of a plan to exceed the cap to win a comp knowing full well you intend to shed players (usually the older ones) in years to come so there will be a rebuilding stage anyway---best to have the fine and be caught after the fact during a rebuilding stage.(in most cases it will only prolong the rebuild by 2-3yrs max)

The cap and draft in this country are legal and although untested in a specific sense there is enough individual precedent (plus a common belief by the legal community ) that both would satisfy the provisions of the Trade Practices Act.

The failure of the league bosses to win their draft case was down to a failure by the administrators to draft the rule properly and the court suggested they could easily comply with the law with some changes but there was no real drive in the rugby league world to continue with it unlike the acceptance within the AFL community that it was good for the game - and the players association agreeing to it.

You are right. The cap is not illegal and nor should it be under our law. Melbourne breached the rules in the most organised and.systemic salary cap breach in Australian sporting history and should pay the price. Saying others did it and the cap “ should” be illegal is totally irrelevant and is the usual feeble retort provided by those caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

Plus they are a pack of filthy lying wrestling c..ts
 
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The salary cap isn’t about restraining a player’s earning capacity, otherwise TPA’s would be illegal. The salary cap isn’t about evening out the competition either, otherwise the competition would be far more even than it currently is.

The salary cap has always been about limiting the spending of clubs on players, in the interests of keeping clubs both solvent in the short term and viable in the long term. Without the salary cap, we all know that clubs would spend themselves into dust for a premiership, and very few would survive for any length of time.

Fans, and club officials want to be winners, and they want it now. You’d see teams worth triple that of the opposition that sweep all before them.. then that club go broke. The landscape of the game and the teams involved would become a revolving door of success, debt and failure. The salary cap goes a long way towards mitigating the effects of glory hungry clubs seeking today’s trophy with no thought given to the future of their club..

Well said @KOMORI
 
Who would they have let go of to get under the cap and still win?

I don’t follow your butterfly effect comment. Other clubs benefited because Melbourne was over the salary cap? Or is the butterfly effect another Melbourne wrestling technique?

I think he really mean't a "knock-on effect" but wanted to appear knowledgeable amongst a group of nufties and came out with the wrong terminology.
 
Traditional League values is all about the money, Rugby League came to be from money.

Traditional League values is all about cheating at its true core, or at the very least pushing the envelope and being flexible, this is why the rules of the game are a joke due to a lack of backbone and leadership.

"Don't throw stones in glass houses" is one of the angles i am a taking, players earning capacity should not be restrained is another angle and that Melb played the same game of exceeding the cap which existed before the Storm and still to this day.

Just remember Melb paid the crazy amounts they did in response to outside pressures who were more than happy to exceed the cap also, creating an inflationary environment. Melb developed this pool of talent to be of first grade standard, wanting to retain their hard work at all costs should be commended, unlike other clubs who purchased established talent to go to the next level.(Exceeding the cap to retain players you developed vs Exceeding the cap to attract established class/quality to go to the next level i know which side of the fence i would rather be on)

Yes Melb probably did benefit from News Ltd in attracting the best quality young talent in the game at the time, but at the same time some of that talent received knock backs from other clubs.

I have other thoughts on this matter but i don't see the point in bringing them up as i will be seen as a "Non Fan".

This is what I mean about you missing the point of ‘traditional league values’. Everyone knows the history of how league was born, namely because working class rugby players who got injured playing the game couldn’t feed their families, unlike the more high-born rugby players who had private incomes.

From these beginnings there naturally sprang the usual working class egalitarian sentiments. Hence the outrage at the massive scale of the systematic rorting by the club owned by the notorious billionaire corporation, which already enjoyed so many advantages.

I know you enjoy the pure excellence of the roster they put together but I’d say many if not most traditional league fans enjoyed 40-nil, not only Manly fans, and fans of most clubs were disgusted when they learned of the Storm’s unparalleled level of deliberate cheating. I certainly was.
 
I think he really mean't a "knock-on effect" but wanted to appear knowledgeable amongst a group of nufties and came out with the wrong terminology.
Butterfly effect is more unpredictable and coincidental, knock on effect is more logical and predictable.

Manly/Nth Eagles let go of a raw young talent in Orford to Melb who can see potential at a reasonable price point, Manly/Nth Eagles end up paying big for an established first grade half in Kimmorley.

Manly then purchase a more polished version of Orford from Melbourne to achieve the next level of success on big Money, leads to Melb promoting Cronk who goes on to win the Dally M half of the year in his first full year at halfback in 2006(and not on big Money compared to Orford who they wanted to keep) and dominates the game with his thorough approach to the intricacies of the game for the next decade.

Manly get a few good years out of Orford, Melb achieve over a decade of success under Cronk. Initially seen as just a cheap work in progress back up option ended up becoming one of the most sort after halves in the game on big coin.

If Manly didn't sign Orford, Cronk would not have surfaced until around 2009/2010 if at all, might have been lost to the game by then or playing elsewhere.

I have big doubts the salary cap scandal would ever have made the light of day, Melb would of achieved success but not in the same dominant fashion leading to exceeding the cap by less and a more slap on the wrist fine.

Melb retaining Orford would in my opinion have lead to Melb winning in 07 with half a chance of winning again in 08 but probably bowing out in the Semi's. Manly would of struggled to reach the GF with Monas at 7 not being a sharp enough option to easily make the top 4. (I was a big fan of Monas composed ball playing and leadership just lacked that sharp take on the line element)

Bellamy and Hasler in the coaching stakes were so far ahead of the pack it wouldn't of surprised me if Manly and Melb still played out the GF in both these years without changing halves.

Now can you please stop sending me messages begging me to hire you as my ghost writer who can edit my technical dribble in line with your impeccable grammar standards, i'm fully aware of my limitations but i have better things to spend my disposable income on than raising your standard of living.
 

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