Probably end up at the Tigpies with his brothets
So far off the pace
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And there lies the problem 🙄
Surely he's due for parole now. Hope he's been using the prison gym to keep in shape.
Off the pace, yes
SO far off the pace , no
2 or 3 better players in certain positions & we’d be highly competitive.
SO far off the pace , no
2 or 3 better players in certain positions & we’d be highly competitive.
Any team in the NRL will improve with 2-3 key additions....but I'm confused as to how we afford these better player ppl keep talking about ?
And we all deserve an opinion so I'm happy for those thinking we are not far away from the better teams, but as example Manly were smashed by roosters and just my opinion,again, but I feel Penrith would beat that Roosters side by 20+ points....
One silver lining (to getting thrashed by the 3rd best team in the most important game of the season) is that there's no risk of the squad's shortcomings being papered over. As they otherwise might have been, for example if Manly got the bounce of the ball, the ref calls etc, and finished closer or even won the game.
I think Seibold already has a pretty clear idea anyway. But after that game I doubt there'll be any irrational complacency or big-headedness among the squad when next pre-season rolls around.
I think Seibold already has a pretty clear idea anyway. But after that game I doubt there'll be any irrational complacency or big-headedness among the squad when next pre-season rolls around.
There’s no way we can just go out and buy , “ the best hooker , the best second row , the best lock” in the game but what we can do is identify 4 or 5 potentially good players in those positions , maybe from the reserves of other teams where they can’t get a start , journeymen ( such as our Warriors signing ) or youngsters that might be a year off.
I think it’s clear that our short comings are in the ruck area , it’s where we were pulverised last night.
Hooker
Second Row
Lock
Jake’s finished as a 13 , too slow , needs to be a Prop & play shorter minutes.
Croker , although admirable in defence , isn’t a patch on the top 4 hookers, much of our go forward is stifled due to him.
Our backs , whilst not perfect , are a reasonable attacking group , we’ve scored plenty this year, so I wouldn’t be wasting any money on backs.
If Lodge is going we’ll need another Prop, not easy to find , but I understand the reluctance to re-sign as he is a bit injury prone, be nice to see Sipley step up , maybe another year and he might begin to show the promise we all have in him.
AoA is rocks & diamonds , do not know why he was extended.
So no , I continue to acknowledge that we are “ off the pace” but I will disagree about your word “ SO”.
As to being in the same league as the Panthers , Storm & Roosters well none of the other 14 starters sides can compete with,
*The Panthers incredible nursery
*The unbelievable system that the Storm have created ( with much help from News Ltd & the NRL)
*And the extraordinary buying power of a multi billionaire behind the Roosters.
It’s absolutely the same in the UK Super League , the same 3 - 4 sides are always at the top , never the ones below.
And that’s what we have now in the NRL, the 3 teams I mention above will feature & win , most GF’s in the foreseeable future.
Sides will vye to be the next best ( this year it’s the Sharks) and it’s possible one of them will win a GF, but it’ll be due to key injuries to the others more than anything.
The other 13 sides will fight for positions 5/6/7/8 and get to be cannon fodder for the finals.
The rest , help the broadcasters make gazillions and provide light entertainment for their fans.
Unless there’s some serious changes by the NRL to break up the success of the top 3 , it’ll be the same for years to come.
Great post
it's so true what you said
All my footy mates from other clubs can see it a mile off.
No other club can touch the top 3 teams and will continue to play GF's.
You can see also that the NRL will want the dogs and south's to bounce back next year They need the big Sydney clubs.
We may may jag the odd title one every 20 years or so but we just don't have the pull anymore and are a small fish in the pond.
I agree with your suggestions also about players for 2025.
LeonardCohen
Bencher
That's a great point, and 'runners up' has been a poisoned chalice in years gone by. I am not suggesting we were a chance of making the GF, but I think the potential for complacency and the weight of expectation is understandably more pronounced, the closer a team comes to finding ultimate success. That we are a long way off, says we might avoid this potential pitfall.
This may be true but at least we have to try to bridge the gap like say the Bulldogs are but that’s not going to happen with the likes of Lodge Brown etc taking up space. Maybe we need to spend some time and effort developing players and spend some time outside the 8 and come up with a 3 -5 year plan whilst we still have Turbo. The main issue with this is our coaching situation with Siebold seeming to be more concerned with keeping his job than coming up with a long term plan or even getting in a Gus Gould like supremo to run things without too much pressure on the coach for a while until things improve or if they don’t improve then punt the coach
Thanks
It’s a post not just because we lost ( I’m not as emotionally invested as I used to be ) with many going off immediately after the game and into the early hours , rather it’s a view I’ve had for a fair while now.
The NRL is just a money making machine these days so they care little about who wins , or why the same ones are winning, they are simply there to appease their masters , the broadcasters and the gaming companies.
It’s been like this for 30 years in the Super League , look back at the last 30 winners and apart from the very occasional one every Cup Final will have been won by 1 of 3 teams.
We are now identical.
We will only be super competitive and top 3 if one or more of the following happens.
1) we suddenly have the largest junior nursery in the game with thousands of kids lining up to be junior Sea Eagles and then continuing on.
2) News Ltd or Nein broadcasting decide to buy the club and spend a fortune making it a powerhouse.
3) a Multi Billionaire buys the club and is happy to throw a few hundred million over a decade to make us the envy of all other clubs.
Clearly NONE of those things are going to happen , so at best , we can be a successful club , making the top 4 occasionally, and the top 8 regularly and like the other 14 clubs we enjoy the ride for what it is but know full well , it’ll be the same the next year.
Good post mate....but I still reckon we have a fair way off right now, definitely 100% agree you have identified the correct problem area's....and what really hurts most, is we had of got it right those seasons ago with the Fainu/Api situation, truly believe we would have built another dynasty between then and now and been a serious threat in the NRL, rather then a team that fell away for those years like a team without any real resilience or backbone.
Mark from Brisbane , I love you feathered friend but you are full of excuses on why Clubs like Manly are not successful
People like you Mark and this is nothing personal
People like you see no accountability but excuses for clubs not being successful like the storm and the Panthers and the Roosters
Your Nursery Money Excuse that incompetent Managers from other clubs mismanage Examples ...
The Incompetently managed tigers have an incredible Nursey but they have been nursing great players to other clubs
The Incompetently managed Broncos have money and News Limited help but they only managed very few final appearances in the last decade as compared to the successful Storm and this season they were the biggest under achievers missing the top 8 once again
Swap the coach and hierarchy from the Storm to the Broncos and we will see the Broncos under Bellamy and the storm system witch is made by smart people move up the ladder and the Storm coached by Walters and the Incompetent Broncos people move down the ladder
The fact is this
It does not matter how much money your clubs has or how many juniors your club has ( The Storm has no fcking juniors in Melbourne they outsource smart by smart operators )
because if your clubs is run by incompetent people , Owners , CEOs, Coaches etc then your club is Fcked
The Fact is the Greatest Investment any Organisation can make is Great innovative people
The Moral of the story comes with this quote
At the end of the day we are accountable to our selves
Success is a result of what we do
HoldenV8
Journey Man
We need to learn how to wrap up the ball and stop opposition teams offloading at will. Early in the season when we lost to the Eels, they won on the back of offloads, 2nd phase play which we struggled to shut down. And other teams learned from it. One of the ways to beat Manly was through offloading.
The Chooks offloaded a lot last night and we still couldn't combat it.
NYEagle
Bencher
100% agree with this analysis Mark.
We can also yell at Manly to sign forwards, but it’s not that easy. We have a bunch of individual crash and bash forwards for a reason: That is all that is available that want to come to Manly.
That’s the long and the short of it.
The Rooster forwards were all in Sync last night. All were mobile, verstaile and team players on top of the toughness. I think they knew the weaker Manly team would come out all guns blazing for the first 20 minutes, and Manly did, but all the Roosters needed to do was withstand the onslaught and Manly would pucker out, which they did.
No doubt Penrith, Melbourne, Roosters and Sharks have the best forward packs in the NRL and I also can’t see anything changing in the next 5-10 years unless we bring in a real salary cap and a draft,
And even then, love them or hate them it is commendable how these clubs developed their teams.
NYEagle
HoldenV8
Journey Man
I hate to say it but you may be right.
As a prop he doesn't make the metres needed and as a ball playing lock, he's too slow. Put him up next to the best lock in the NRL (Yeo) and its really no comparison any more.
Unfortunately Jake's usefulness pretty much died off with the start of V'Landys-Ball when set restarts became a thing. That negated his biggest asset, his dominant defence.
The problem is, I honestly can't see Jake retiring for at least another 4 or 5 years.
This happens when they don’t go into the tackles with aggression, the grabbing and lethargic efforts helps the ball runner offload.
The middle defence was the worst this season, Guaca was about the only one hitting with some sting.
HoldenV8
Journey Man
Agreed. Haumole was our the only forward to be able to hold his head up after last night.
Isn't his contract up in 27, 3yrs are better than 4 i guess.
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