? Sexist tropes vs Virtue signalling ?

[WiseyEagle]

You can watch reruns of 'Love Thy Neighbour', Benny Hill, George & Mildred, Bless This house, Alf Garnett, It Ain't Half Hot Mum on YOUTUBE. Search hard enough and you can find all those great British comedies of the 60's & 70's.

 

[lsz]

Guys you have to stop all this positive talk this is not the place!

I can vouch for SER and some of the conversations he used to have where he would argue very passionately to keep posts etc.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Guys you have to stop all this positive talk this is not the place!

I can vouch for SER and some of the conversations he used to have where he would argue very passionately to keep posts etc.

That's good to know. My apologies @SeaEagleRock8 for incorrectly posting you would like to have posters etc cancelled.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

That's good to know. My apologies @SeaEagleRock8 for incorrectly posting you would like to have posters etc cancelled.

And you know why I’m against ‘cancelling’ stuff?
It's because I think it’s important to talk about things, rather than pretend they haven’t happened. Things certainly have happened!
It’s called history - and we can’t learn from it if it’s been deleted!!

 

[Thewestisbest]

And you know why I’m against ‘cancelling’ stuff?
It's because I think it’s important to talk about things, rather than pretend they haven’t happened. Things certainly have happened!
It’s called history - and we can’t learn from it if it’s been deleted!!

I stand corrected and pleased to learn I was wrong.

 

[The '47ers]

You can watch reruns of 'Love Thy Neighbour', Benny Hill, George & Mildred, Bless This house, Alf Garnett, It Ain't Half Hot Mum on YOUTUBE. Search hard enough and you can find all those great British comedies of the 60's & 70's.

Dad's Army and the timeless Fawlty Towers, how good.
A bit later on, but the Mrs loves Keeping Up Appearances.

 

[lsz]

Too much agreement in this thread

Thoughts on Trump giving asylum to white south african farmers? Or lets talk Joe Biden's very sudden and in no way covered up cancer diagnoses (please no...)

 

[The '47ers]

Too much agreement in this thread

Thoughts on Trump giving asylum to white south african farmers? Or lets talk Joe Biden's very sudden and in no way covered up cancer diagnoses (please no...)

He definitely caught that Sth African president off guard

 

[lsz]

He definitely caught that Sth African president off guard

No comment!

 

[The '47ers]

No comment!

Hahaha now here I am hijacking @SeaEagleRock8 's thread!

 

[Uk eagle]

You can watch reruns of 'Love Thy Neighbour', Benny Hill, George & Mildred, Bless This house, Alf Garnett, It Ain't Half Hot Mum on YOUTUBE. Search hard enough and you can find all those great British comedies of the 60's & 70's.

People go on about Love they Neighbour, the different Alf Garnett shows, Rising Damp etc for being racist and yet they were the exact opposite. In all of them the black people came out on top despite the bigoted views and behaviour of the main character. They were actually calling out racism but some people are too narrow minded to see that so they end up being cancelled for fear of upsetting the terminally stupid

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I agree. It is indeed a difficult burden having to continually ascend to the rarified air of the high moral ground and I applaud your steadfast dedication to the task. Personally, I find it immensely frustrating being so enlightened and having to constantly deal with low self-esteemers who prefer a winning football team to a losing one. Some may say it’s drawing a long bow to equate venting and death threats, but not me. Some may also say constant virtue signalling often reflects more on the signaller than anyone else, but again, not me.

To be on the safe side, as venting and death threats clearly occupy the same “sliding scale”, I propose that we henceforth ban all criticisms after a loss, and should instead be encouraged to post motivational words of empathy and affirmation, encased in flower beds and love hearts. If that doesn’t guarantee a win, at least I will feel less lonely on the high moral ground of self awareness.

Thought I'd take this up over here in this thread which is about so-called virtue signalling.
You seem to be a tad bitter when commenting on anything I write, so sorry if I've ever hurt you personally.

Meanwhile hey why don't you fill everyone else in about your previous forum identity? I'm sure one or two would find that interesting. No need to be shy!

Now as to your point (ignoring the more petulant ones such as saying I take the moral high ground),
well venting and death threats are indeed on a sliding scale in one sense, in that they are all just words. Even a death threat is not a plan to kill, or an attempt to kill, it's words.

So words can range from I love you to I'm going to kill you!

Venting? can mean different things no doubt but you have possibly been a bit over-emotional if you read my comment as equating venting and death threats.

Some may say it’s drawing a long bow to equate venting and death threats, but not me.

When you've calmed down why not re-read my post, it was intended as a general observation on all of us fans who become emotionally invested in our team's fortunes.

 

[Brookie1973]

Thought I'd take this up over here in this thread which is about so-called virtue signalling.
You seem to be a tad bitter when commenting on anything I write, so sorry if I've ever hurt you personally.

Meanwhile hey why don't you fill everyone else in about your previous forum identity? I'm sure one or two would find that interesting. No need to be shy!

Now as to your point (ignoring the more petulant ones such as saying I take the moral high ground),
well venting and death threats are indeed on a sliding scale in one sense, in that they are all just words. Even a death threat is not a plan to kill, or an attempt to kill, it's words.

So words can range from I love you to I'm going to kill you!

Venting? can mean different things no doubt but you have possibly been a bit over-emotional if you read my comment as equating venting and death threats.


When you've calmed down why not re-read my post, it was intended as a general observation on all of us fans who become emotionally invested in our team's fortunes.

I’m as far from bitter and personally hurt as a person can be. So happy to put those concerns to rest. But thank you.

I was just fishing on the previous identity bit - glad to see I got a bite and that you remain a keen observer of my posts. But just as a bit of fun, which former poster do you think I could be, if indeed I was?

Have to say you lost me at that point. Are you saying all words are related because they are words? That’s an interesting philosophical position I had not considered. Is a cow related to a teapot given they are both words?

I must have misread the bit where you said “Death threats are…an extreme case on the sliding scale of venting.” I assumed that meant you were equating the two, albeit in the extreme. Indeed, the whole point of your post appeared to be to compare a death threat to people venting after a loss. Apologies if that was not the case.

As to virtue signalling, I do take exception to your oft stated view that people who vent are doing so because of low self esteem issues. That is something you have said multiple times, and I think it is rather condescending and/or insulting and/or unsympathetic and potentially inflammatory and hurtful to people who may indeed suffer from what is a legitimate mental health issue.

Personally, I wouldn’t have gone there, but that’s just me.

You’ll be relieved to know I have remained calm throughout this exchange. Have a good day.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

My oft-stated view? I hadn’t realised, and I’ve no evidence for that low self esteem thought.

More it’s just something that often causes me to wonder at the reasons. It’s something we all do to some extent no doubt, although for me probably more usually limited to shouting No you fool, or something, while watching a game on tv. I’ve certainly been known to boo at the ground though, although in my own mind at least it’s generally good-natured (but whoever is hearing it wouldn’t know that ,admittedly!)

So to clarify – I do not equate ‘venting’ with death threats. But I do think you can imagine degrees of intense feelings of anger/disappointment/disgust/betrayal (???) expressed in words, at one end being (about someone) He’s hopeless, and at the other end, a direct communication to the person, “I’m gunna get you’.

I’m not anti- venting about footy, but am interested in what makes us (and I include myself) feel such intense emotions about it at times. I’m happy when Manly wins and sad (or even pissed off) when we lose. Then I’m pissed off with myself for caring!



As for the previous identity bit, Lol, nice try! But too late! Everyone saw your comment about how @Woodsie has changed from how he always used to be, and no doubt that got a couple wondering who you used to post as! So Don’t be shy! And no need to be embarrassed about past stuff, we’ve all posted things we might prefer to forget, haha

 

[Brookie1973]

My oft-stated view? I hadn’t realised, and I’ve no evidence for that low self esteem thought.

More it’s just something that often causes me to wonder at the reasons. It’s something we all do to some extent no doubt, although for me probably more usually limited to shouting No you fool, or something, while watching a game on tv. I’ve certainly been known to boo at the ground though, although in my own mind at least it’s generally good-natured (but whoever is hearing it wouldn’t know that ,admittedly!)

So to clarify – I do not equate ‘venting’ with death threats. But I do think you can imagine degrees of intense feelings of anger/disappointment/disgust/betrayal (???) expressed in words, at one end being (about someone) He’s hopeless, and at the other end, a direct communication to the person, “I’m gunna get you’.

I’m not anti- venting about footy, but am interested in what makes us (and I include myself) feel such intense emotions about it at times. I’m happy when Manly wins and sad (or even pissed off) when we lose. Then I’m pissed off with myself for caring!



As for the previous identity bit, Lol, nice try! But too late! Everyone saw your comment about how @Woodsie has changed from how he always used to be, and no doubt that got a couple wondering who you used to post as! So Don’t be shy! And no need to be embarrassed about past stuff, we’ve all posted things we might prefer to forget, haha

Are you saying you haven’t posted on more than one occasion that fans who vent may be suffering self esteem issues? Or are you just trying to back pedal? Rest assured, I will continue to call it out, because all joking aside, I do find it distasteful for you to belittle people who may suffer from a legitimate mental health issue in that way. But again, that’s just me.

As for any previous identities I may or may not have had, I think I will leave you dangling on the line a bit longer. You are clearly fixated, which is fun.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Rest assured, I will continue to call it out, because all joking aside, I do find it distasteful for you to belittle people who may suffer from a legitimate mental health issue in that way. But again, that’s just me.

No idea what you are on about? I think I would know if I had tried to belittle anyone with a mental health condition, I certainly wouldn't do that intentionally. But as my comment has offended you I offer an apology.

 

[Brookie1973]

No idea what you are on about? I think I would know if I had tried to belittle anyone with a mental health condition, I certainly wouldn't do that intentionally. But as my comment has offended you I offer an apology.

I personally wasn’t looking for, or need, an apology and whatever personal offence I may have taken is not the issue. I would simply suggest that unless you are a trained psychologist, you wouldn’t know how your posts are received by someone who suffers mental health issues. Maybe your words could be interpreted by some as reinforcing their already low self worth. Hardly a risk worth taking over a game of football right? If in doubt, steer clear, would be my advice.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Oh. Well good to know I didn’t offend you.

So... that means ... you have taken it upon yourself to ‘call out’ my post, on behalf of people who suffer mental health issues, who you say (without explaining how) may be harmed by my words. Furthermore my post (you say) was an example of my constant virtue signalling!!!

It seems to me that a person (you), not affected themselves, yet so sensitive and caring for the harm these (potential) vulnerable readers may suffer from my distasteful posts that they (you) are compelled to ‘call them out’ … is possibly virtue signalling? Don't you think?

Accordingly I request you post a short paragraph explaining why you aren’t a hypocrite 😊

 

[Brookie1973]

Oh. Well good to know I didn’t offend you.

So... that means ... you have taken it upon yourself to ‘call out’ my post, on behalf of people who suffer mental health issues, who you say (without explaining how) may be harmed by my words. Furthermore my post (you say) was an example of my constant virtue signalling!!!

It seems to me that a person (you), not affected themselves, yet so sensitive and caring for the harm these (potential) vulnerable readers may suffer from my distasteful posts that they (you) are compelled to ‘call them out’ … is possibly virtue signalling? Don't you think?

Accordingly I request you post a short paragraph explaining why you aren’t a hypocrite 😊

That’s the sort of response I expected. Disappointing, but expected. I’ll leave it there.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Not much of a paragraph.
However continue to call out any of my posts you find potentially problematic. I welcome discussion and try hard not to take stuff personally
I'm usually interested in airing issues rather than (as you claim) talking down to anyone.
For example I am interested in your views (and anyone's views) on how a footy fan gets to the point of posting death threats to a player who dropped the ball.
Maybe next time