Seibs Going Right Off at Presser.

[maxta]

I'm not too sure Croker to lock is the number 1 choice by those who suggest it......well I speak for myself in this instance.....it's probably I see nothing good about what he brings at dummy half.
It's more if he is going to be in the 17 for his "defence" , this may be better than what he gives out of dummy half.....I mean he has zero impact from 9 and after making the first half line break I have seen from him against Sharks, he tossed the ball back to noone and we ended up further back than we started ???
Seibold has made it clear - if fit, Croker is in the 17 and after yesterday Im only more convinced our attack has lacked it's sharpness that Simpkin was bringing.
Croker imo is a great reserve grade player who can fill in admirably, but would have little chance of making other NRL sides imo, especially the Top 8 sides.

 

[Disco]

Croker is a solid defender but not some form of defensive dynamo and not a good enough defender to have that alone keep him in the team.

I know tackle efficiency aint the be all and end all but Crokers is 87%. There are 27 players who have played hooker this year with a better efficiency.

In fact the only regular hookers with worse Api, Kenny, Smith, Crossland and both Hands and Lussick.

The lad can defend but he ain't holding the team together.

 

[Eagle 1]

That's not the point. It's about controlling the narrative played out in the media.

If the media get a sniff of underperformance, the public pile-on begins, which fuels a spiralling amount of pressure on the club to act. Seibold got pummelled in Brisbane once the media started their feeding frenzy, and the situation become unbearably untenable very fast.

Seibold has been a little traumatised by the experience, and is making 100% certain that this time around he will use all the positive spin possible to ensure the media are on his side for as long as possible. This is very effective for middle-of-the road results. As long as he avoids bottom 4, or any significant steps backward, he hopes to carve out a career for as long as possible.

In Seibolds Broncs days, he was being slowly cooked by the Broncs old boys who wanted Kevvie installed asap. Funny part is, Kevvie will be slowly cooked and discarded also if there's no improvement on next seasons early rounds.

 

[Jay Eagle]

Yeah.. calling time on Croker.

He simply is not good enough as a 9 when it comes to attack and service to our attack..

He basically gives a "free kick" to the opposition defence as they have ZERO cause to fear him running from or creating from dummy half..

They know he's just going to "step back" ( I'm not sure what the go with him doing this is) and pass.. and to top it all off his pass is so so slow..

When is the last time he made good meters from a darting run at dummy half let alone a break??
When is the last time he put a forward through with slight of hand pass??
And why can't he throw a bullet pass from the ground out in front of his target??

Yeah he does these things 2 or 3 times out of 10.. that's not NRL standard, needs to be 7 or 8 out of 10.

When you consider the best teams also have the best dummy half that says it all.

Cam Smith was the king and the reason he was is because he was doing these fundamentals 8 or 9 out of 10 and the defence was always either second guessing or already on the back foot..

Seriously time for the Manly coaching staff and management to look at this.

 

[BirdMan4ever]

croker and Jake are down the pecking oprder for what i takes to be competing at the top 4 .

just look at Jake and SOO, he was a captain and was benched HELLO what have we learned.

yes he bleeds heart and soul but offers nothing bar defence which is offset with stupid penalties he give away.

i would have Bully on for first 55min and Jake for last 25min to tackle his head off when the forwards are tired

 

[BOZO]

Croker imo is a great reserve grade player who can fill in admirably, but would have little chance of making other NRL sides imo, especially the Top 8 sides.

I agree feathered friend
The bottom line is this
Players like Croker and Parker may be great clubman and Great blokes
But they are not Great top 8 Premiership winning Forces
This is what it is and we all have our limits
and we are limited with limited players

 

[Disco]

To be fair Jake does a lot off the ball.

For example he is 2nd in the league in support plays and 11th in the league in decoy runs, 13th in the league for line engagements.

This doesnt get you on the highlight real but having options engaging defenders creates space for other players.

Jake is the absolute definition of a team first player, he'll put the energy into those push plays that support the team outcome which often comes at the expense of his own stat line.

This leads to him being under appreciated by the highlight reel fans.

Now dont get me wrong, the guy has slowed and his impact softened, but his is still and extremely valuable cog in this team.

 

[Jay Eagle]

Come on Seibs make the hard call

1 Turbo
2 Garrick
3 Talau
4 Koula
5 Hoppa Jr
6 Brooks
7 DCE
8 Paseka
9 Simpkins / GCKT ( at least they are true "9s)
10 Lodge
11 H'Mole
12 Law man
13 Jake

14 Frog
15 Bully
16 Brown
17 Sipley

I could live with Garrick at centre /Talau to wing if it is to be, but that's my team week 1 finals.

Seibs may suprise us.. especially if he wants to keep his job and is really in it to win it rather than just turn up..

No such thing as second place.

I'm betting this team gets over 90% approval rating on ST

 

[Chunkytuna]

Come on Seibs make the hard call

1 Turbo
2 Garrick
3 Talau
4 Koula
5 Hoppa Jr
6 Brooks
7 DCE
8 Paseka
9 Simpkins / GCKT ( at least they are true "9s)
10 Lodge
11 H'Mole
12 Law man
13 Jake

14 Frog
15 Bully
16 Brown
17 Sipley

I could live with Garrick at centre /Talau to wing if it is to be, but that's my team week 1 finals.

Seibs may suprise us.. especially if he wants to keep his job and is really in it to win it rather than just turn up..

No such thing as second place.

I'm betting this team gets over 90% approval rating on ST

Id probably start with Croker for his defence but bring Simpkin on when Croker is buggered - which he inevitably is. And. It sure whether Silpley or Alioa should be in - neither of them have inspired me especially Aloia on the weekend. He looked slow and useless.

 

[Dion Johnson]

Come on Seibs make the hard call

1 Turbo
2 Garrick
3 Talau
4 Koula
5 Hoppa Jr
6 Brooks
7 DCE
8 Paseka
9 Simpkins / GCKT ( at least they are true "9s)
10 Lodge
11 H'Mole
12 Law man
13 Jake

14 Frog
15 Bully
16 Brown
17 Sipley

I could live with Garrick at centre /Talau to wing if it is to be, but that's my team week 1 finals.

Seibs may suprise us.. especially if he wants to keep his job and is really in it to win it rather than just turn up..

No such thing as second place.

I'm betting this team gets over 90% approval rating on ST

The only change I would have is Ben T on the pine over Croker, Bully is a good middle and if injury comes along Ben T can cover a few positions.

 

[ManEagle]

I'm not too sure Croker to lock is the number 1 choice by those who suggest it......well I speak for myself in this instance.....it's probably I see nothing good about what he brings at dummy half.
It's more if he is going to be in the 17 for his "defence" , this may be better than what he gives out of dummy half.....I mean he has zero impact from 9 and after making the first half line break I have seen from him against Sharks, he tossed the ball back to noone and we ended up further back than we started ???
Seibold has made it clear - if fit, Croker is in the 17 and after yesterday Im only more convinced our attack has lacked it's sharpness that Simpkin was bringing.
Croker imo is a great reserve grade player who can fill in admirably, but would have little chance of making other NRL sides imo, especially the Top 8 sides.

Thank you, this is exactly it and the point other against the idea are missing.

Croker will be in the 17 Seibs has said as much he values him, so why not change it up ? Try and get a little more value out of his selection.

Not sure where posters saying having Crok and Jake in the fwds at the same time would be a disaster, Jake and Croker already defend together on field so moving Croker to Lock won't make any difference negatively by changing it up with Jake at prop and Croker at lock. It's a straight positional change.

But you do get Jake playing 80 at prop or at best subbing off.
Where I think the benefit occurs by having another hooker, simpkin at present, having better service and also hoping that Croker indesiveness and lack of control at dummy can be contained and free him up for better service from lock than Jake is currently doing.
Its not perfect but I see simpkin as better service and danger than Croker and Croker would be a little quicker and better service and potentially more dangerous than Jake at Lock, but both defensively each are the same.

Just me, but I reckon we wouldn't lose anything defensively and possibly give better options in attack or at least faster service from dummy and lock than we presently do by moving existing personal slightly.
Makes a better bench with options for a back for cover for Turbo without sacrificing back up hooker or fwd.

Bit then I acknowledge I love sausage rolls, so I'm likely wrong 😅

 

[Disco]

Thank you, this is exactly it and the point other against the idea are missing.

Croker will be in the 17 Seibs has said as much he values him, so why not change it up ? Try and get a little more value out of his selection.

Not sure where posters saying having Crok and Jake in the fwds at the same time would be a disaster, Jake and Croker already defend together on field so moving Croker to Lock won't make any difference negatively by changing it up with Jake at prop and Croker at lock. It's a straight positional change.

But you do get Jake playing 80 at prop or at best subbing off.
Where I think the benefit occurs by having another hooker, simpkin at present, having better service and also hoping that Croker indesiveness and lack of control at dummy can be contained and free him up for better service from lock than Jake is currently doing.
Its not perfect but I see simpkin as better service and danger than Croker and Croker would be a little quicker and better service and potentially more dangerous than Jake at Lock, but both defensively each are the same.

Just me, but I reckon we wouldn't lose anything defensively and possibly give better options in attack or at least faster service from dummy and lock than we presently do by moving existing personal slightly.
Makes a better bench with options for a back for cover for Turbo without sacrificing back up hooker or fwd.

Bit then I acknowledge I love sausage rolls, so I'm likely wrong 😅

Defensively is not the concern, go forward it

 

[ManEagle]

Defensively is not the concern, go forward it

In theory, with the amount of defence these two get through, it's the other fwds role to get the go fwd happening.
They have their roles.

But if we get quicker ruck and service speed and slightly more dynamic dummy and lock plays, would we not get better roll-on and go fwd ?

 

[Sheikheagle]

5 years of futility, under 2 different coaches who appear to rate him an NRL standard dummy half.

Anyone know much about Daniel O’Donnell and what position he plays. I see he was named players player in Flegg. His Dad was a handy hooker.