Seibold Ball

[Chunkytuna]

The “ Seidud” cartel are very strong at present , we win games , you hear nothing , we lose against the premiership favourite and suddenly he’s the worst coach in the game.

Funny but I got a message yesterday from a previous long standing member , who checks in occasionally but doesn’t comment any more , his words “ not much has changed with Silvertails has it , still THE most negative bunch of Manly fans on the planet “

So what’s your solution then Mark? We dont have enough money and that’s not changing any time soon. We’ve got a great coach according to you (or am i reading your comments incorrectly?). Our playing group is what it is. So what’s the solution. Or in your words, are we just supposed to accept Mediocrity?

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

BLUF: Obviously all clubs get an equal share from the NRL/ARLC coffers every year.

I think a more pertinent point here is that the Dishlickers have a leagues club that can still pour meaningful amounts of money into their associated footballing operation.

The Laundy family’s wealth is currently estimated at around $1.6 billion.

Unless I missed it, they do not own a share in the Bulldogs - they are sponsors - with presumably some influence at board level. So arguments about their supposed wealth, vis a vis a football club, seem largely irrelevant. Unless they’re topping up the district club to the tune of several million dollars per year, over and above their sponsorship, which seems unlikely.*

*Of course, I could be wrong on that front.🙂

All clubs get exactly the same football department ( coaching ) payment , BUT, much like 3rd party deals clubs can get additional sponsorship for the coaching part of the business.

Recently a rich benefactor built the Broncos a 25 million dollar facility , that’s great example.

No I don’t believe Laundy owns the Bulldogs , but then again neither does Politis own the Roosters !!

 

[Rafferty]

Oh and BA was so so successful in his last gig wasn’t he 😂😂😂😂

He did alright with us

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

So what’s your solution then Mark? We dont have enough money and that’s not changing any time soon. We’ve got a great coach according to you (or am i reading your comments incorrectly?). Our playing group is what it is. So what’s the solution. Or in your words, are we just supposed to accept Mediocrity?

I have never stated once that Seibold is a “ great coach “, rather I think he’s doing “okay “ and really is no where near as bad as the cartel makes out.

If we stuck with the current playing group ( minus the obvious one ) nothing will change.

It’s very clear forwards are our major issue, out of the forwards we have ( moving forward ) we need a gun prop , another really dynamic edge and it would be great to pick up a gun hooker.

TKO & Jazz are one year full ins at best.

Paseka / Sipley don’t really cut the mustard.

I’m not sold on Burbo yet but I think he’s improving.

BFB is a crowd favourite but shouldn’t be long term.

Waddell , he’s a minimum payment player I guess you can’t have all superstars.

Jake as a much lower cost prop is fine, and he’s filled with the “ DNA”.

I can guarantee you if we had a half decent forward pack we’d be ultra competitive.

It’s not the backs , it’s not the coach , it’s the up front cattle

 

[47MVEagle]

Just one example - it’s not Scott Penns fault that Jacob Preston wasn’t identified in juniors, it’s the fault of a club that didn’t prioritise investment in Manly DNA.

To be fair, Preston himself has said he wasn't in the right frame of mind the day he trialled for Manly & therefore didn't do too well.

Combine that with the club's newly (at that time) developed western pathways program, the club's focus was definitely not on local juniors for that period.

Hopefully things have changed now that's been dismantled & we start bringing local guns through ou systems into first grade (Joey Walsh being a prime example).

 

[Brookie1973]

Again you pick apart my argument to suit your narrative.

I never said “ our success then was pure luck “ I simply said “ Des got lucky “, he inherited , and yes developed , and unbelievable set of young guns who became legends.

Aided by two very astute signings.

Des “ didn’t get lucky “ when he came back , he inherited a poor team , and what did he then do , Manly DNA and all , the answer , not much !!

I rest my case

We were already losing our Manly DNA in Dessie’s second coming, driven by the failed Blacktown workers experiment, the fainu brothers debacle and the splitting of the team during pride-gate. We need to rebuild that Manly DNA by re-engaging with the local community and reaching out to those lucky 2007-2014 players, steps I understand Mestrov is in the process of making. It will take time and we will get there, the Manly way.

I rest my case.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

We were already losing our Manly DNA in Dessie’s second coming, driven by the failed Blacktown workers experiment, the fainu brothers debacle and the splitting of the team during pride-gate. We need to rebuild that Manly DNA by re-engaging with the local community and reaching out to those lucky 2007-2014 players, steps I understand Mestrov is in the process of making. It will take time and we will get there, the Manly way.

I rest my case.

With that last comment I cannot in any way disagree with any of that , both cases rested.

 

[Wombat64]

I have never stated once that Seibold is a “ great coach “, rather I think he’s doing “okay “ and really is no where near as bad as the cartel makes out.

If we stuck with the current playing group ( minus the obvious one ) nothing will change.

It’s very clear forwards are our major issue, out of the forwards we have ( moving forward ) we need a gun prop , another really dynamic edge and it would be great to pick up a gun hooker.

TKO & Jazz are one year full ins at best.

Paseka / Sipley don’t really cut the mustard.

I’m not sold on Burbo yet but I think he’s improving.

BFB is a crowd favourite but shouldn’t be long term.

Waddell , he’s a minimum payment player I guess you can’t have all superstars.

Jake as a much lower cost prop is fine, and he’s filled with the “ DNA”.

I can guarantee you if we had a half decent forward pack we’d be ultra competitive.

It’s not the backs , it’s not the coach , it’s the up front cattle

Nailed it...... it seems obvious...

 

[Brookie1973]

I have never stated once that Seibold is a “ great coach “, rather I think he’s doing “okay “ and really is no where near as bad as the cartel makes out.

If we stuck with the current playing group ( minus the obvious one ) nothing will change.

It’s very clear forwards are our major issue, out of the forwards we have ( moving forward ) we need a gun prop , another really dynamic edge and it would be great to pick up a gun hooker.

TKO & Jazz are one year full ins at best.

Paseka / Sipley don’t really cut the mustard.

I’m not sold on Burbo yet but I think he’s improving.

BFB is a crowd favourite but shouldn’t be long term.

Waddell , he’s a minimum payment player I guess you can’t have all superstars.

Jake as a much lower cost prop is fine, and he’s filled with the “ DNA”.

I can guarantee you if we had a half decent forward pack we’d be ultra competitive.

It’s not the backs , it’s not the coach , it’s the up front cattle

That is certainly a long laundry list of problems in response to a request for solutions. Elsewhere you have suggested we can’t compete against the big bucks of the storm, broncos etc, but you are also saying the answer is to simply go out and buy a gun prop (and if Paseka doesn’t cut the mustard we really need 2) a gun hooker and a gun backrower. You forgot to mention we also need a new halfback. Maybe we will get “lucky” and none of the bigger spending clubs will also be in the market then. Surely if we have to work within a budget, we should be looking to develop our own talent (“DNA”) including being smarter in our recruitment. Walsh and Large are potentially steps in the right direction, but I would say our relatively poor forward stocks, a captain looking to jump ship and the continued reliance on a single player as to whether we win or lose all reflect to varying degrees on the coach. The jury is still out, but another couple of losses and things will turn ugly in a hurry, with the “cartel” leading the charge.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

That is certainly a long laundry list of problems in response to a request for solutions. Elsewhere you have suggested we can’t compete against the big bucks of the storm, broncos etc, but you are also saying the answer is to simply go out and buy a gun prop (and if Paseka doesn’t cut the mustard we really need 2) a gun hooker and a gun backrower. You forgot to mention we also need a new halfback. Maybe we will get “lucky” and none of the bigger spending clubs will also be in the market then. Surely if we have to work within a budget, we should be looking to develop our own talent (“DNA”) including being smarter in our recruitment. Walsh and Large are potentially steps in the right direction, but I would say our relatively poor forward stocks, a captain looking to jump ship and the continued reliance on a single player as to whether we win or lose all reflect to varying degrees on the coach. The jury is still out, but another couple of losses and things will turn ugly in a hurry, with the “cartel” leading the charge.

I thought we’d “ rested our cases “

Apparently not.

 

[Ralphie]

Des got lucky , a great group of juniors ad they bought two key players , Kite ( who became the forward leader ) and the final piece of the puzzle , Orford.

That success was nothing to do with systems.

And you've totally missed my point , the main point was “ Melbourne are constantly successful as a result of this “, and yes they spend a lot of cash to do this , so say what you will , the constant down there is “ the big cash influenced systems “.

Josh Perry was an important signing too.

 

[47MVEagle]

That is certainly a long laundry list of problems in response to a request for solutions. Elsewhere you have suggested we can’t compete against the big bucks of the storm, broncos etc, but you are also saying the answer is to simply go out and buy a gun prop (and if Paseka doesn’t cut the mustard we really need 2) a gun hooker and a gun backrower. You forgot to mention we also need a new halfback. Maybe we will get “lucky” and none of the bigger spending clubs will also be in the market then. Surely if we have to work within a budget, we should be looking to develop our own talent (“DNA”) including being smarter in our recruitment. Walsh and Large are potentially steps in the right direction, but I would say our relatively poor forward stocks, a captain looking to jump ship and the continued reliance on a single player as to whether we win or lose all reflect to varying degrees on the coach. The jury is still out, but another couple of losses and things will turn ugly in a hurry, with the “cartel” leading the charge.

I think Mark's saying the wealthier clubs like Brisbane & Melbourne have got more money to spend on better facilities & off field resources.

The salary cap applies to every team equally (although we know some teams are more equal than others) but where these big clubs outdo the smaller clubs is with their state-of-the-art off field resources, which can be a massive advantage when it comes to players recovering from injuries, etc.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Josh Perry was an important signing too.

Yes you are right , I’d forgotten about him but yes at the time a big damaging prop.

There were some other astute buys as well , Glen Hall from the Cowboys was one of those.

Not a superstar but boy he did his job well

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

The Laundy family’s wealth is currently estimated at around $1.6 billion.
Unless I missed it, they do not own a share in the Bulldogs - they are sponsors - with presumably some influence at board level. So arguments about their supposed wealth, vis a vis a football club, seem largely irrelevant. Unless they’re topping up the district club to the tune of several million dollars per year, over and above their sponsorship, which seems unlikely.*
*Of course, I could be wrong on that front.🙂

You could be wrong... and are wrong!
On announcing the sponsorship, Laundy was totally upfront about how he will help the Dogs sign players without worrying about the salary cap.

“I like to talk to the players about life after football and where they intend going.

“If I can help them get there, I will be helping.”

Pubby Dogs: New era for Bulldogs as battling club unveils hotel empire jersey sponsor

Pubby Dogs: New era for Bulldogs as battling club unveils hotel empire jersey sponsor

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

That’s it SER8, you’re now on the Ignore list.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

That’s it SER8, you’re now on the Ignore list.

Aw..!

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Aw..!

No, no, I’m serious!😉

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

No, no, I’m serious!😉

Me too!

 

[LeonardCohen]

Give me a fat bloke (or woman) with a brain and a high eq any day

Horses for courses, I suspect. It wouldn't hurt to be in shape around elite athletes, especially when you have to deliver some home truths about a lack of application at training or provide some friendly advice about diet. It's pretty much people managing 101 to only ask others what you demand for yourself.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Horses for courses, I suspect. It wouldn't hurt to be in shape around elite athletes, especially when you have to deliver some home truths about a lack of application at training or provide some friendly advice about diet. It's pretty much people managing 101 to only ask others what you demand for yourself.

Nah, that would be for the captain or leading players to set that example. If he was a player coach then sure. But a head coach to inspire the players with his fitness? His job is ideas strategies and from everything he's said he's very big on the players driving the motivation.

Having said that you need to be healthy or your mind doesn't work properly either. Seibs to me looks pretty healthy (not so sure about the assistant though!)