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like to see Schuster improve a bit with front on defence , tends to follow an attacking player a bit and drop off the odd tackle a bit . Olakatu - atu and Jake of course are more direct hitters and again would prefer Josh adapt his style more to this technique . Certainly big and strong enough to take on opposing forwards more head on , attack can only improve and will always have those excellent skills .More then capable of being a good enough 6 in i st grade but again just think that the trend is not conductive to him being overly suited there and especially with his present playing size . Look at the top no 6 "s going around now , Cody Walker , Munster ,. Luai , Keary , Wighton , Dylan Walker , . Josh playing attributes and size on current indications again seems more suited to back row and edges . Way to early to be comparing Josh with the likes of Gifty , career is heading in the right direction and very hopefully can at least match Glen "s great contribution at Manly if not surpass it .
and combination with DCE if he is 6. they are quite similar and neither appear to have rear guard action games. we have spent years trying o find a suitable partner for DCE and unearthed schuster . its a conundrum
 
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and combination with DCE if he is 6. they are quite similar and neither appear to have rear guard action games. we have spent years trying o find a suitable partner for DCE and unearthed schuster . its a conundrum
guess that time will tell in regard to Schuster maybe eventually slotting in as a 6 for Manly but again have my reservations .Sill maintain that D C E and Walker were going real well individually , combining well and complimenting each other when they were the halve's pairing for a good part of 2019 and the start of 2020 . Green a bit fragile in defence but still a good foil for D C E in the main . Tribute to Foz that he was able to lift his game and get back to some really solid form this season and really hope can repeat it next season , [ Of course just my views for all of the above ]
 
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I think those looking at this kid are placing unrealistic expectations on him.
Now are you are arguing against yourself?
It was very smart to play Schu in the forwards this year, give him the essential education about the toughness and physicality required to succeed in NRL before asking him to hone his attacking talents at that level.

He showed plenty this season and is definitely one of the most exciting new talents in NRL, can't wait to see how he goes next year.

However I disagree with your theory that he will be annoyed at having to do grunt work and head off to the Roosters so he can play in the halves. I think he is smarter than that!

And I really hope he ends up as good a player as Glenn Stewart, because that would make him a genuine Sea Eagle champion (which Schu isn't yet - Hey, maybe you are placing unrealistic expectations on him to suggest otherwise?!!) ;)
 
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guess that time will tell in regard to Schuster maybe eventually slotting in as a 6 for Manly but again have my reservations .Sill maintain that D C E and Walker were going real well individually , combining well and complimenting each other when they were the halve's pairing for a good part of 2019 and the start of 2020 . Green a bit fragile in defence but still a good foil for D C E in the main . Tribute to Foz that he was able to lift his game and get back to some really solid form this season and really hope can repeat it next season , [ Of course just my views for all of the above ]
yeah walker copped too much flak for his role at 6. he was really coming along.
schuster needs more time and i wonder if promises made to retain him are playing out

with dce, foz, schuster, walker and lawnton, my feeling is we have too many utilities and not enough specialists in the team despite what they bring individually. its not about what they bring but what the team misses out on with them holding to many positions
 
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Isn't it obvious that Walker's "loyalty" to Manly is trumped by money? He's just waiting for a higher offer to jump to another club. He's been at Manly for 6-7 seasons now and our results during that period have been underwhelming. He is not our future. Let him chase the larger salary. As a wise recruiter once said: "I'd love to buy him at my price, sell him at his and pocket the profit..."
 
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Isn't it obvious that Walker's "loyalty" to Manly is trumped by money? He's just waiting for a higher offer to jump to another club. He's been at Manly for 6-7 seasons now and our results during that period have been underwhelming. He is not our future. Let him chase the larger salary. As a wise recruiter once said: "I'd love to buy him at my price, sell him at his and pocket the profit..."
maybe its the utilty role. the storm and riff are benchmark sides and he would start at both clubs and play 80. he has had his off field issues but has shown he is still a dynamic footy player
 
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Just wondering how our team this year would have gone in the finals with Schuster at 6 ,Evans 7 , Walker and Suli in the centers . Looking forward to 2022 with less errors and minimal injuries , we will be hard to beat .Let's go Maaaaannnnnly .
 
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I reckon Des played Schuster at 2nd row this season to give him full-game experience in the NRL & also to temper his tendency to be flashy every time he has the ball in his hands so he learns to be more selective with his flashy plays.

I think next season we'll see Schuster continue to start at #12 but switch to 5/8th at halftime as Des will start resting Foz.

He'll have Lawton & Bullemor on the bench to cover utility & Schuster when Foz comes off.

This wont happen every game but I think will happen in early season games against lesser opposition before Schusters starts as 5/8th towards the end of the season.
 
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Now are you are arguing against yourself?
It was very smart to play Schu in the forwards this year, give him the essential education about the toughness and physicality required to succeed in NRL before asking him to hone his attacking talents at that level.

He showed plenty this season and is definitely one of the most exciting new talents in NRL, can't wait to see how he goes next year.

However I disagree with your theory that he will be annoyed at having to do grunt work and head off to the Roosters so he can play in the halves. I think he is smarter than that!

And I really hope he ends up as good a player as Glenn Stewart, because that would make him a genuine Sea Eagle champion (which Schu isn't yet - Hey, maybe you are placing unrealistic expectations on him to suggest otherwise?!!) ;)


SER8 there you go again misquoting me. You do that a lot mate. I said nothing for instance about him heading to SC to play 5/8. Where the hell did that come from? I said that I suspect he wants to play 5/8 and there are feelers already, I understand for him to move. Auckland was the team I referred to. And I would suggest he is probably a little miffed at playing second row because his own manager indicated he was concerned when Foran was added and he suggested he may look elsewhere. Now Schuster quickly denied that, but managers respond to what their clients ask for otherwise they lose the client, so I think its safe to say Schuster was concerned. He's just not wanting to make an issue of it at this stage, and as reported he's quite a shy lad. I think there's no doubt he loves being at Manly and seems to have many mates coming through. But there will come a time when he gains more kudos, more status, more confidence, that he will seriously ask the question...can I do better elsewhere financially and in the position I prefer. Most players do the same dont they?

And I'm not sure how I can be arguing against myself. Please explain and the Lady would say. I'm certainly not suggesting that Schuster hasn't gained playing in the forwards and I did say he was tough and being one of the two 80 minute forwards showed a lot of heart. As usual its not an either or, its about where he is better suited. I personally was impressed with his first season, but I also think the work load and position he was in stilted his creativity.. And at 20 that is not surprising.
 
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SER8 there you go again misquoting me. You do that a lot mate. I said nothing for instance about him heading to SC to play 5/8. Where the hell did that come from? I said that I suspect he wants to play 5/8 and there are feelers already, I understand for him to move. Auckland was the team I referred to. And I would suggest he is probably a little miffed at playing second row because his own manager indicated he was concerned when Foran was added and he suggested he may look elsewhere. Now Schuster quickly denied that, but managers respond to what their clients ask for otherwise they lose the client, so I think its safe to say Schuster was concerned. He's just not wanting to make an issue of it at this stage, and as reported he's quite a shy lad. I think there's no doubt he loves being at Manly and seems to have many mates coming through. But there will come a time when he gains more kudos, more status, more confidence, that he will seriously ask the question...can I do better elsewhere financially and in the position I prefer. Most players do the same dont they?

And I'm not sure how I can be arguing against myself. Please explain and the Lady would say. I'm certainly not suggesting that Schuster hasn't gained playing in the forwards and I did say he was tough and being one of the two 80 minute forwards showed a lot of heart. As usual its not an either or, its about where he is better suited. I personally was impressed with his first season, but I also think the work load and position he was in stilted his creativity.. And at 20 that is not surprising.
My mistake - head off to the Warriors then (or head off anywhere - I was simply referring to your oft-stated concern that he will leave Manly because of how Des is using him.)

As for you arguing against yourself - that was a light-hearted reference to you saying he is already better than Glenn Stewart, which to some observers, could certainly be seen as placing unrealistic expectations on him.

I meant no offence, simply find the discussion interesting enough to add my 2 cents. :)
 
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like to see Schuster improve a bit with front on defence , tends to follow an attacking player a bit and drop off the odd tackle a bit . Olakatu - atu and Jake of course are more direct hitters and again would prefer Josh adapt his style more to this technique . Certainly big and strong enough to take on opposing forwards more head on , attack can only improve and will always have those excellent skills .More then capable of being a good enough 6 in i st grade but again just think that the trend is not conductive to him being overly suited there and especially with his present playing size . Look at the top no 6 "s going around now , Cody Walker , Munster ,. Luai , Keary , Wighton , Dylan Walker , . Josh playing attributes and size on current indications again seems more suited to back row and edges . Way to early to be comparing Josh with the likes of Gifty , career is heading in the right direction and very hopefully can at least match Glen "s great contribution at Manly if not surpass it .


I think this is a question of perception Manly Al. Firstly you're comparing a 50-60 minute player to an 80 minute player when you compare Olak with Shoe. Secondly The Shoe's defence total for the game is somewhat higher than Olak's on average. In fact only Jake and Croker had a higher tackling average, with Taupau being comparable. No other forward came close. The Shoes tackling percentage is around 93.5% efficiency at 28 tackles per match, one the the highest in the team. Olak's defence stats are averaging 21 tackles per match at 91.3% efficiency. Positionally Schuster also tends to tackle wider, covers more ground. Thing is big hits stand out but the general grunt work often is missed.
 
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As much as we all admire Foran and are happy he will be in our squad in 2022 there is just question you need to answer to settle who should be our 5/8 next season?
Q: Which player is our future?
 
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like to see Schuster improve a bit with front on defence , tends to follow an attacking player a bit and drop off the odd tackle a bit . Olakatu - atu and Jake of course are more direct hitters and again would prefer Josh adapt his style more to this technique . Certainly big and strong enough to take on opposing forwards more head on , attack can only improve and will always have those excellent skills .More then capable of being a good enough 6 in i st grade but again just think that the trend is not conductive to him being overly suited there and especially with his present playing size . Look at the top no 6 "s going around now , Cody Walker , Munster ,. Luai , Keary , Wighton , Dylan Walker , . Josh playing attributes and size on current indications again seems more suited to back row and edges . Way to early to be comparing Josh with the likes of Gifty , career is heading in the right direction and very hopefully can at least match Glen "s great contribution at Manly if not surpass it .
actually meant Dylan Brown from the Eels and not Dylan Wallker as a current well performed 6 , not that Walker could not still do well there . Wish Dylan [ Walker ] would make up his mind , getting a bit tedious with his drawn out negotiations , can "t be that hard to make a decision after so long .
 
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I think this is a question of perception Manly Al. Firstly you're comparing a 50-60 minute player to an 80 minute player when you compare Olak with Shoe. Secondly The Shoe's defence total for the game is somewhat higher than Olak's on average. In fact only Jake and Croker had a higher tackling average, with Taupau being comparable. No other forward came close. The Shoes tackling percentage is around 93.5% efficiency at 28 tackles per match, one the the highest in the team. Olak's defence stats are averaging 21 tackles per match at 91.3% efficiency. Positionally Schuster also tends to tackle wider, covers more ground. Thing is big hits stand out but the general grunt work often is missed.
Josh does occasionally drop of tackles with more of a following tendency sometime , Just saying at an edge[ or edge role ] prefer more direct on or front on defence , not necessarily big hits . Thought that Olakatu - atu was essentially an 80 minute player , can 't recall him only playing 50 - 60 minutes at any stage when he was in the back row last season .
 
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Clubs need to succession plan. He learned to defend in the back row in 2021. He showed he still has plenty to learn with composure. But he needs to make those learnings at 6 in 2022 for mine.
 
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Josh does occasionally drop of tackles with more of a following tendency sometime , Just saying at an edge[ or edge role ] prefer more direct on or front on defence , not necessarily big hits . Thought that Olakatu - atu was essentially an 80 minute player , can 't recall him only playing 50 - 60 minutes at any stage when he was in the back row last season .


Checked back and in the last half of the season and you are right, Olak did play 80 minutes for many of the games and was not off the field long in others. Mind you Schuster plays consistently the 80. Actually enhances Schuster's defence then given he averages 28 and Olak 21 and he has a superior efficiency rate. Obviously you don't see Olak falling off tackles but he must if his efficiency rate is inferior.
 
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Does anyone here really think that Des will piss off a premiership-winning #6, who just had his best and most durable season in 10 years, and was a key reason why we had our best year since 2014, for a 20-year-old with half a game's NRL experience in that position?

It's not going to happen in 2022 barring something very unexpected. 2023 maybe but that's a while away.
 
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Does anyone here really think that Des will piss off a premiership-winning #6, who just had his best and most durable season in 10 years, and was a key reason why we had our best year since 2014, for a 20-year-old with half a game's NRL experience in that position?
Do I expect it? No.
Should it happen? Yes.
 
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Do I expect it? No.
Should it happen? Yes.
I understand that it's just a matter of opinion but I like to play in the here and now. Sure, you need succession plans but I wouldn't have one at the expense of a player who is currently superior, just because they'll be gone one day. Foran was great this year and provided DCE with a steady and experienced hand...Schu is not the calm and steady head that we need right now; I feel he would only accentuate our trigger happy attack more so when we need to tip the balance back the other way. I actually think he is a terrible option to pair with Daly...He might be a good 5/8 one day but we were one game away from a GF and two wins from a premiership so no need to reinvent the wheel next year; we just need to improve on this year, not move crucial spine positions around.

Just my perspective.
 
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