Sam Burgess late hit on cherry

[The '47ers]

Damn Nth Sydney and their grudges...

 

[HappilyManly]

1) Where in the shoulder charge rule does it mention intent?
2) Where in the shoulder charge rule does it mention the 'sort of action' covered?
3) Does anyone know what the shoulder charge rule actually does say, is there a link?
4) How does this incident compare with AFB's tap in the 80th minute in Rd1 which got him 2 weeks?
5) If the club does not maintain a video dossier of all these incidents, for future use as defence against bogus charges, they are being negligent.

Another total disgrace.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...VYZxcpCz_aiO8HKuw&sig2=0Rvv6EULxmDMBaDDF8TCAw

2016
Shoulder Charge
Is where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier (or any opposing player) using the arms
or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm (tucked into the side).
It will be considered misconduct, if any player affects a tackle in the manner as defined. The indicators will include:
1. Rotation of the defenders hips and shoulders
2. Defender has ‘tucked’ his arm into his body
3. No genuine attempt to make a tackle.

2017 Clarification

The definition of a shoulder charge has been changed for the 2017 Telstra Premiership to make it clearer and simpler for fans and players.

As part of a change to the Judiciary and Match Review system, a player will be charged if:

• The contact is forceful, and;
• The player did not use, or attempt to use, his arms (including his hands) to tackle or otherwise take hold of the opposing player.

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...VYZxcpCz_aiO8HKuw&sig2=0Rvv6EULxmDMBaDDF8TCAw

Thanks, so pretty clear that none of Buettners' disgraceful attempts to defend the decision hold up.

So he has blossomed from one of the worst players ever to one of the worst administrators ever, makes sense I suppose....

 

[globaleagle]

Also, with Buettner saying that 'this doesn't fall into a shoulder charge actionable circumstance' does not mean that it doesn't fall under any other illegal action.

E.g:

1. Hitting a player without the ball
2. Contact with another players head.

And they I reckon there are other rules that would cover this dog shot (or should it be called... a cowards hit?)

 

[MadMarcus]

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...VYZxcpCz_aiO8HKuw&sig2=0Rvv6EULxmDMBaDDF8TCAw

2016
Shoulder Charge
Is where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier (or any opposing player) using the arms
or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm (tucked into the side).
It will be considered misconduct, if any player affects a tackle in the manner as defined. The indicators will include:
1. Rotation of the defenders hips and shoulders
2. Defender has ‘tucked’ his arm into his body
3. No genuine attempt to make a tackle.

2017 Clarification

The definition of a shoulder charge has been changed for the 2017 Telstra Premiership to make it clearer and simpler for fans and players.

As part of a change to the Judiciary and Match Review system, a player will be charged if:

• The contact is forceful, and;
• The player did not use, or attempt to use, his arms (including his hands) to tackle or otherwise take hold of the opposing player.

April 2017 Clarification

Despite all of the above, a player will not be charged if:

• The hit is off the ball, and;
• The player's surname is Burgess.

Please note the above rule applies whether or not contact is made with the head, unless the victim of the shoulder charge is J Thurston, C Smith or C Cronk, in which case the player will be charged notwithstanding the foregoing.

 

[nightster]

Michael Buettner, the head of the match-review committee, has tried to defend the decision not to charge Burgess.

“The Match Review Committee deemed it a collision,” he said, “Daly Cherry-Evans was a support player and Sam Burgess was trying to cover across in defence.

“There did not appear to be any intent in his actions. It was considered a concerning act due to contact with the head and the fact that Cherry-Evans was not in possession of the ball.

“But this was not considered a shoulder charge action. This sort of collision is not the sort of action the rules around shoulder charges were implemented for.”

Thats bullsh*t but ok how about the rule for a late blindside tackle on a player not in possession of the ball then ...

 

[HappilyManly]

I may be old but I counted everyone of the definitions including the 2017 clarifications

+ It also clearly refutes Sambo's claim that he did not see Chez

 

[nightster]

add dangerous to the above description

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

+ It also clearly refutes Sambo's claim that he did not see Chez

Hah, it gets worse every time I look at it, without doubt Marty would have been rubbed out for 6-8 weeks for something like that

 

[Shoe1]

The nrl must want him to play for the poms this week. That's the only way to explain the ruling.

 

[globaleagle]

I may be old but I counted everyone of the definitions including the 2017 clarifications

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+ It also clearly refutes Sambo's claim that he did not see Chez

And if sam was running to 'cover defend' as buettner said...then souths should be fined for not having sam off for a concussion test. His 'running' was no where near where the play was.

Nice pic and description HM. I couldn't 'agree' with it as that would mean I was agreeing with you when you called yourself old. !!!! So I liked it instead.


In conclusion: People in power wanted sam in for england.

 

[mickqld]

It's clear as daylight to everybody including the MRC but for their own reasons they choose to ignore it.
It's getting harder to explain away these episodes as mind boggling incompetence.

Easy , one word. Greenturdberger

 

[The '47ers]

In conclusion: People in power wanted sam in for england.

Let's go Samoa!!

 

[Wombat Legacy]

Sam was just bracing for the contact. It was deliberate to take Cherry out, no doubt. But it was more of a professional foul. That's footy! Cherry will cop that one on the chin 🙂 Seriously, have some of you even played the game lol

 

[nightster]

Sam was just bracing for the contact. It was deliberate to take Cherry out, no doubt. But it was more of a professional foul. That's footy! Cherry will cop that one on the chin 🙂 Seriously, have some of you even played the game lol

yes and my favourite tackle was a spear tackle I figured they would drop the ball in order to protect themselves, and even then I regularly got penalised and that was 50 years ago ... the rules have changed ... the players are bigger and faster and the dangers of concussion now recognised as has the duty of care ... 'that's footy' is a dumb anachronistic comment along the lines of .... boys will be boys, used to excuse bullying and violent bahaviour and stifle further discussion ... imho

 

[Wombat Legacy]

yes and my favourite tackle was a spear tackle I figured they would drop the ball in order to protect themselves, and even then I regularly got penalised and that was 50 years ago ... the rules have changed ... the players are bigger and faster and the dangers of concussion now recognised as has the duty of care ... 'that's footy' is a dumb anachronistic comment along the lines of .... boys will be boys, used to excuse bullying and violent bahaviour and stifle further discussion ... imho

He didn't even get cited, talk about a gross over reaction. Penalty at the most 🙂 Nice spin on my comments too old mate. Take a BEX and have a lie down

 

[nightster]

He didn't even get cited, talk about a gross over reaction. Penalty at the most 🙂 Nice spin on my comments too old mate. Take a BEX and have a lie down

thanks Doc

 

[HoldenV8]

Call me a conspiracy theorist but.....

I still maintain that the MRC were told not to cite him for his hit on DCE. Souffs are on the slide as a team, 1nglis is out for the year and Burgess is their highest profile player who is seen as essential to TV ratings and bums on seats. He's also the star 'local' draw for England in their match against Samoa at Campbelltown on Saturday.

How else do they explain that he has gotten away with 2 blatant shoulder charges in the past 3 games?

 

[Phil Blake]

Call me a conspiracy theorist but.....

I still maintain that the MRC were told not to cite him for his hit on DCE. Souffs are on the slide as a team, 1nglis is out for the year and Burgess is their highest profile player who is seen as essential to TV ratings and bums on seats. He's also the star 'local' draw for England in their match against Samoa at Campbelltown on Saturday.

How else do they explain that he has gotten away with 2 blatant shoulder charges in the past

Ur on the money Holden.

Just saw sam Burgess video on NRL App talking about the England v Samoa game

 

[HoldenV8]

Considering that others, and not just Manly players, have been hit with automatic suspensions for much lesser shoulder charges than the ones he put on Eastwood and DCE, why does Burgess suddenly get away with it.

Fvck you Michael Buettner and the NRL, you've made me agree with something Phil Rothfield has written.

Never thought I'd say this but thank god (why did it have to be Rothfield???) someone in the mainstream media had the balls to call this for what it is!!