Salary Cap doing its job perfectly !!!
- Thread starter Mark from Brisbane
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Our big advantage was a successful culture but the NRL saw to dismantling that
Its looking like 4 new teams in the 8 this season including the teams that came 15th and 16th last year.
We have the teams that came 2nd and 4th last year missing the 8, one of those being grand finalists.
What exactly do we want? Every team to take turns every 17 years of 'winning' the premiership? This isnt the primary school sports carnival where everyone gets a ribbon.
People talk about Penrith being unstoppable force with their advantage of their juniors, but before this current class they went 29 years with one premiership.
People moaned about Brisbane having every advantage in the world in the 90s and 00s and they still remain the biggest club in the NRL. Yet with all that they have gone 17 likely to become 18 years without a competition.
Even the Storm, who many would argue are the most dominant club this century with arguably the greatest coach of all time have won 3 premierships in the last 15 seasons (post their cheating).
Like what are we talking about here??
Also when we made 4 grand finals in 7 years and we had the Stewarts, Lyon, Matai, Watmough and the like taking unders to stay together. I don't remember anyone advocating a points system to disperse our players.....say in 2011 to....say the Roosters or Panthers who came 11th and 12th.
There will always be well run clubs and poorly run clubs. There will always be groups of players who come through together and have half a decade in the sun.......and the Roosters will always cheat.
We have the teams that came 2nd and 4th last year missing the 8, one of those being grand finalists.
What exactly do we want? Every team to take turns every 17 years of 'winning' the premiership? This isnt the primary school sports carnival where everyone gets a ribbon.
People talk about Penrith being unstoppable force with their advantage of their juniors, but before this current class they went 29 years with one premiership.
People moaned about Brisbane having every advantage in the world in the 90s and 00s and they still remain the biggest club in the NRL. Yet with all that they have gone 17 likely to become 18 years without a competition.
Even the Storm, who many would argue are the most dominant club this century with arguably the greatest coach of all time have won 3 premierships in the last 15 seasons (post their cheating).
Like what are we talking about here??
Also when we made 4 grand finals in 7 years and we had the Stewarts, Lyon, Matai, Watmough and the like taking unders to stay together. I don't remember anyone advocating a points system to disperse our players.....say in 2011 to....say the Roosters or Panthers who came 11th and 12th.
There will always be well run clubs and poorly run clubs. There will always be groups of players who come through together and have half a decade in the sun.......and the Roosters will always cheat.
And we are currently one of the worst run clubs
We won't be winning a title any time soon
We will become one of those clubs that win a title every 20 years or so.
We are fast becoming a basket case
I disagree, but either way thats on us and it is up to us the build our way back to what we have been many times in the past.
I see what you’re saying & it’s right but I do also think it is frustrating that a team like Storm can somehow sign utoikamanu for around $700k without releasing a big name player. How could they possibly have had that much money lying around for the NRL to register it? I know they have been trying to offload NAS but that hasn’t happened yet & im guessing no one will be willing to pick up his $900k contract.
It’s the third party agreements that allow this.
October 2023 there was innuendo that a club had 8.8% of the total salary cap advantage over a couple of clubs with third party agreements.
The salary cap will remain unfair until third party agreements are the same remuneration for all clubs, not where it continually gets approved by the NRL and gets hidden for public view behind layers of secrecy.
The third party agreements should be part of the total salary cap for an even competition, if the salary cap is not enough increase it to where it’s deemed plausible.
This goes for junior players also, one inner city club pays their juniors extremely well and now has a large percentage of the best junior players in the game.
Individuals may find this as clubs doing great administration work, however the grey matter needs to go and the total expenditure by clubs should be black and white.
Woo hoo! Only 6 more years to wait!
Stewbojevic
Reserve Grader
The Storm’s roster is hardly rockstar on paper. They invest most of their money into the spine, Grant, Hughes, Munster, and Papi. Then NAS appears to have a decent sized contract. I don’t see anyone else on their list that would be on more than $500k.
Look at their top 17 and some of the names that were completely unknown a year or two ago. Or they were offcuts from other clubs.
Wishart, Howarth, Anderson, Meaney, King, Loeiro, Katoa.
All playing great footy but I very much doubt would be on significant salaries.
Whichever way you slice it, Bellamy and the Storm system are just elite. They slot average players in and make them look like superstars.
StuBoot
Bencher
Agree, you can add in Blore and King to that list.
I doubt even Shawn Blore could see himself holding down a starting spot when he signed.
The problem they'll have is when guys like Wishart and Faalogo come up for renewal as they've earned themselves significant upgrades with breakout seasons.
You could argue that Wishart is the best utility in the NRL right now.
Our cap management has not bee very good over the last 10 years or so.
t started with the panic that followed Greenburg (whilst still at Canterbury) nabbing Des whilst having the three T's in his sights.
Then DCE signing initially with the Titans and Foran dumping us and jumping ship to the Eels.
The outcome was that we ended up with a very top heavy roster that we can't absorb because we don't have the financial clout of the Roosters or the Bulldogs.
Years of poor cap management takes years of recovery. I admire Turbo for his offer but its not his fault. We are still making poor decisions. I'm still scratching my head over the Aloio extension. Also the signing of Aaron Schoupp IMO seemed unnecessary.
We are looking for dollars because we have someone in our sights. But alas poor cap management has left us short. Cap management is about balance and focus on the spine. Long term signings don't have a great track for success. Sometimes too much financial security and comfort puts out the fire in the belly.
The Storm has proved that you need a quality spine and a solid pack of hard working forwards. Our weakness in our spine is dummy half. Don't get me wrong I think Lachlan and Gordie are courageous players who give it their all and I admire them for it.
But our dummy half play since we lost Api and Fainu has been pedestrian. It slows every thing down and makes defending against us easier. Attempting to counter that with a tackling workhorse just leads to more slow and sloppy delivery and errors on the back of fatigue. It's is not rocket science the club is just not smart enough to see it and blinded by loyalty earned by courage. It is even more frustrating now that we have a sharp hooker in Simpkin who we have running around in Reggies. Why did we waste our money and cap space if we don't plan to use him.
Now we are looking for another 350K per season. I wonder who we have in our sights.
t started with the panic that followed Greenburg (whilst still at Canterbury) nabbing Des whilst having the three T's in his sights.
Then DCE signing initially with the Titans and Foran dumping us and jumping ship to the Eels.
The outcome was that we ended up with a very top heavy roster that we can't absorb because we don't have the financial clout of the Roosters or the Bulldogs.
Years of poor cap management takes years of recovery. I admire Turbo for his offer but its not his fault. We are still making poor decisions. I'm still scratching my head over the Aloio extension. Also the signing of Aaron Schoupp IMO seemed unnecessary.
We are looking for dollars because we have someone in our sights. But alas poor cap management has left us short. Cap management is about balance and focus on the spine. Long term signings don't have a great track for success. Sometimes too much financial security and comfort puts out the fire in the belly.
The Storm has proved that you need a quality spine and a solid pack of hard working forwards. Our weakness in our spine is dummy half. Don't get me wrong I think Lachlan and Gordie are courageous players who give it their all and I admire them for it.
But our dummy half play since we lost Api and Fainu has been pedestrian. It slows every thing down and makes defending against us easier. Attempting to counter that with a tackling workhorse just leads to more slow and sloppy delivery and errors on the back of fatigue. It's is not rocket science the club is just not smart enough to see it and blinded by loyalty earned by courage. It is even more frustrating now that we have a sharp hooker in Simpkin who we have running around in Reggies. Why did we waste our money and cap space if we don't plan to use him.
Now we are looking for another 350K per season. I wonder who we have in our sights.
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The Indian
Bencher
I agree - we all know there is salary cap fudging ( cock a doodle do ) BUT to me what the salary cap means is that the best runs teams are at a massive advantage. All jokes aside I see the Storm and Roosters as a very well run teams with zero juniors, Panthers to slightly lesser extent but with elite juniors at which they get first crack. When it was us and the Storm going at it for the best part of a decade I felt the salary cap helped us because the best run teams who manage their cap maintained the bulk of their rosters and were able to attract top up talent by players who want to win a comp and will take less $$$. That was us 10 years ago.
This is the model we should be following. It's not about worrying who is rorting the cap. First, stop conceding own goals in recruitment/retention ( Schuster ahem ) , lock down your key players and add in some top up value by attracting players who view you as a destination club and want to take less to win premierships.
I think we are a middling club when it comes to how well we are run - there's much better but there's definitely worse. Thats why we are a mid table team mostly. Plenty room to improve.
Those happened in reverse order, just the club didn't know it at the time!
Someone mentioned Leo Thompson of the Knights. I wouldn't veto that 😉
It tough overcoming the top 3 or 4 these days with all their various advantages but I hardly think “ basket case “ is a fair summation.
If we were like the Eels I’d agree.
The Who
Journey Man
I thought it telling that the NRL knocked back Turbo's offer to take a pay cut because they valued him worth more. So, the NRL has a hidden 'value' system does it? Why won't they reveal it so that we fans can see how each club's roster compares in value?
How is a 'value' system different to a system based on points value of each NRL player?
And how does the NRL allow all Easts' players to "take less salary because they just love the club SOOOO much?"
How is a 'value' system different to a system based on points value of each NRL player?
And how does the NRL allow all Easts' players to "take less salary because they just love the club SOOOO much?"
Not a shock really, it would open a Pandora's box that clubs would no doubt exploit at the expense of players and other clubs.
The shocking thing to me was that dumb journo Hooper virtually calling Turbo a liar and casting aspersions on Seibold and the Manly club over this. Hooper is unpleasant and obtuse in equal measure, and rates at the high end on both scales. Can he be next into the ice-cream vending or funeral parlour professions, please? Nothing edifying or entertaining about reading his drivel, let alone watching him pop up on TV. Yuk!
No journalist has any credibility or spine
that cannot put a name to validate their nasty conspiracy theory
Garbage Journalism that give Journalists a bad name
he is an ignorant grub of the highest order .Inferring along with beady eyes Anasta that it was Manly and Mestrov who put Turbo up to going to the NRL .
I nearly find that show unwatchable at times as its just full of BS made up by those clowns and then communicated as half truths.
Is he still on MMM or did he get punted from that because of his bullying of Daren Marron ?
Anyways when will we know if Lawton is in the17 for sure ,as I think its madness to have Croker on there as an 80 min 9 .In addition does anyone know what has happened to Simpkin.
I cannot believe Seibold would be so silly as to not have Lawton and or Simpkin in the 17,esp when you have such an energetic and dangerous 9 in that grub Mahoney
Classic LOL
The Who
Journey Man
I've been reading stories for decades about players accepting less that their perceived value to play for a particular club. What is the difference with Turbo?
Wasn't Greg Inglis reported as doing exactly this?
As an employee I can accept or reject any salary. I can work for free, and have at times.
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