Salary Cap doing its job perfectly !!!

[Mark from Brisbane]

Enough said , check this out

 

[Dion Johnson]

For me Third party contracts, what clubs pay junior players, cashed up clubs pay the juniors very well. These need to be even and are difficult to find, some long winded details below.

The NRL salary cap was introduced to promote competitive balance and ensure that all teams have a fair chance at success. However, the observation above that only a few teams have consistently won the minor premiership over the last 12 years suggests that the salary cap may not have fully achieved its intended goals. Here are several factors that may contribute to this phenomenon:

1. Player Retention and Development: Clubs with strong player development systems can nurture talent and retain key players, allowing them to build a winning culture over time. Teams that excel in recruitment and development are often more successful.

2. Financial Resources: Some clubs have more financial backing than others, allowing them to attract and retain top talent. This disparity can lead to a concentration of elite players in a few teams, despite the salary cap.

3. Recent Trends: The NRL has seen periods of dominance from certain clubs, creating a strong visual(as pictured above) that the salary cap isn't working.

4. Market Size and Support: Larger clubs with bigger fan bases and stronger corporate support may have advantages that help them sustain success over time.

In the National Rugby League (NRL), third-party agreements (TPAs) are arrangements that allow clubs to secure additional financial support for their players outside of the standard salary cap. These agreements are designed to attract and retain talent while ensuring that the salary cap is not exceeded.

### Key Points about Third-Party Deals in the NRL:

1. Purpose: TPAs are used to supplement a player's income through sponsorships, endorsements, or other external funding sources. This helps clubs remain competitive in attracting top talent.

2. Regulation: The NRL has strict guidelines governing third-party deals to maintain fairness and integrity in the competition. Clubs must disclose all TPAs, and they are subject to approval by the NRL.

3. Salary Cap: TPAs do not count towards the salary cap, allowing clubs to offer more competitive financial packages to players. However, the total value of TPAs must stay within certain limits as set by the NRL.

4. Limits and Transparency: Each club has a cap on the total amount of third-party agreements they can arrange for their players, but the specific amounts can vary. The NRL's salary cap and TPA regulations are reviewed regularly to ensure they remain effective.

5. Clubs' TPA Values: The exact amount each club can engage in TPAs can fluctuate based on various factors, including the club’s financial health, market size, and sponsorship opportunities. The NRL provides guidelines but does not publicly disclose specific TPA values for each club.

6. Club Agreements: Clubs typically negotiate these TPAs on a player-by-player basis, and the amounts can vary significantly based on the player's marketability and the club's resources.

### Current Landscape (as of October 2023):

While I can't provide the exact figures for each of the 17 clubs regarding their TPA arrangements, you can typically find discussions about these values in NRL media reports, club announcements, and financial statements released by the NRL. For the most accurate and detailed figures, consulting the NRL’s official communications or financial reports is recommended.

In the NRL, there is no specific salary cap that applies to junior teams in the same way that there is for the senior NRL teams. However, there are various regulations and guidelines that govern player payments at the junior levels, particularly for the pathways leading into the NRL.

### Key Points Regarding Junior Players in the NRL:

1. Payments for Juniors: While clubs can offer contracts to junior players, particularly those in the Flegg, SG Ball, Harold Matt’s or developmental squads, the amounts paid to these players are generally much lower than those in the senior ranks. The NRL sets guidelines around what junior players can be paid, but these amounts are not strictly capped in the same way as the senior salary cap.

2. Education and Welfare: The NRL emphasizes the importance of education and welfare for junior players. Clubs are encouraged to provide support for players' education and personal development, which can be part of the package offered to young talent.

3. Contract Regulations: While there is flexibility in how junior players are compensated, contracts must still adhere to the NRL's broader regulations. Clubs must ensure that any payments are in line with the NRL's rules and are properly documented.

4. In summary, while there is no formal salary cap specifically for junior players in the NRL, there are guidelines and regulations that govern payments and contracts, ensuring that clubs operate fairly and ethically as they develop future talent.

The ongoing challenge for the NRL will be to ensure that the competition remains balanced and that more teams have the opportunity to contend for the premiership. As above there is clear evidence they have failed..

 

[JakeyB789]

And when you look at the actual premiership winners, the Sharks were the last team outside those 3 to win it and that was 8 whole years ago. Pretty hard to see that changing this year either

Becoming a boring old comp, I know some like to say it’s turning into the Premier League but the EPL has become even worse for parity and competition in that time too. At the end of the day money rules (well for the Roosters anyway). Penrith at least got there through junior development but they have the biggest area of anyone to choose from, and even then that is getting picked off year after year. And I still believe Melbourne’s system is built off the foundation of their cheating in the late 2000s, even if they aren’t doing it anymore

 

[Forster eagle]

What is not and can't be calculated is what a wealthy owner is able to give an individual player, by whatever means. eg lets say an owner plays a skins game against a new recruit for $10000.00 a hole and hasn't won a hole in 20 years. While this is only a rumour, you can see how it's legal, beats the system and its nobodies business but theirs.

 

[Disco]

There has always been teams that a dominant over a period of time.

And whilst the salary cap is imprtant in levelling the field to an extent, you do need scope for clubs to prove they have a competitive advantage.

Basically if you want to be up there, be better

 

[manly al]

Storm and Panthers have a bit more credibility to warrant their good standing for an extended time now .
Has to be a bit more questionable with the Roosters for ages now and could well be the Bulldogs in recent time .
Storm for whatever reason continuously bringing in virtual unknowns or previous average players and through Bellemy 's coaching ability or very efficient systems , developing them into very competitive type players .
Plus the presence regularly of a few very consistent top line players.
Panthers with their undoubted huge and very successful junior base and effective pathways systems
Roosters , just a host of questions marks on their ongoing big name lineups for the majority of their squads over time .
Dogs getting that way .
Manly doing O K and particularly if D C E and Turbo can be at their best and have recruited well recently and maybe a good pathways system emerging again .
Would not have minded having Sam Fainu instead of Alioai but ideally he can somehow get his mojo back A S A P
And is still worth noting that Manly have gotten the better of the Storm - , Panthers and Roosters [ once each ] this season .
Shows that all going well , they can be up there , irrespective of cap or other playing roster issues

 

[The Who]

We can all see that basing "equality" on salary+ perks doesn't work. It is impossible to regulate.
The most sensible way to maintain an even competition is by a Points System. The Shute Shield operates this way. Every first grade team a club puts on to the field has to be within a certain points cap. Just a couple of weeks ago Easts were docked five competition points for playing a team that exceeded the points value. (seem rorting is acceptable on the Eastern Suburbs).
Everybody knows the value of each player prior to the season starting. A club can stockpile players but can't roll out an 'overvalued' team, like the Roosters do each week in the NRL.

 

[DUFFMAN]

We can all see that basing "equality" on salary+ perks doesn't work. It is impossible to regulate.
The most sensible way to maintain an even competition is by a Points System. The Shute Shield operates this way. Every first grade team a club puts on to the field has to be within a certain points cap. Just a couple of weeks ago Easts were docked five competition points for playing a team that exceeded the points value. (seem rorting is acceptable on the Eastern Suburbs).
Everybody knows the value of each player prior to the season starting. A club can stockpile players but can't roll out an 'overvalued' team, like the Roosters do each week in the NRL.

I have always felt a point system is far more transparent than the salary cap.
You can't hide points but a salary you can.

But I don't think you. should be able to stockpile players and as long as you don't field a team under the value you are all good.
Top 30 players should be capped otherwise teams like Easts and Melbourne will buy everyone so they have coverage for injuries, suspensions and rep games.

 

[Ohgeez]

NRL is feeling like the Premier league the last few years when you know there is only 4 teams that have a genuine chance of winning it. At least they have a relegation system to keep it interesting even for the poor teams

 

[Ohgeez]

did Storm even release anyone to sign utoikamanu or is the NRL pretending they had a spare $700k lying around? They let Remis Smith go early but you’d think that’s $250k max

 

[The Who]

I have always felt a point system is far more transparent than the salary cap.
You can't hide points but a salary you can.

But I don't think you. should be able to stockpile players and as long as you don't field a team under the value you are all good.
Top 30 players should be capped otherwise teams like Easts and Melbourne will buy everyone so they have coverage for injuries, suspensions and rep games.

I don't follow RU so I don't know the finer details of the Shute Shield points system. I just know the basics and that it appears to be working. I do know that Sydney University dominated the comp for many years before a points system was introduced, because they had the money, but this season they didn't even make the finals series.
I'm sure whatever system the RU use could act as a starting point for the NRL.

 

[Peter C]

And when you look at the actual premiership winners, the Sharks were the last team outside those 3 to win it and that was 8 whole years ago. Pretty hard to see that changing this year either

Becoming a boring old comp, I know some like to say it’s turning into the Premier League but the EPL has become even worse for parity and competition in that time too. At the end of the day money rules (well for the Roosters anyway). Penrith at least got there through junior development but they have the biggest area of anyone to choose from, and even then that is getting picked off year after year. And I still believe Melbourne’s system is built off the foundation of their cheating in the late 2000s, even if they aren’t doing it anymore

Let's not forget that the NRL Salary Cap Commitee said that the Sharks were over the salary for 2015 and 2017, but were sweet for 2016, yeah right!!.

 

[Stevo]

I have always felt a point system is far more transparent than the salary cap.
You can't hide points but a salary you can.

But I don't think you. should be able to stockpile players and as long as you don't field a team under the value you are all good.
Top 30 players should be capped otherwise teams like Easts and Melbourne will buy everyone so they have coverage for injuries, suspensions and rep games.

Lets be real, Even if that was a clubs plan, what player would be happy to get stockpiled? You need to play to retain your value. I assume there would be rules around how many players of certain values you can have on your roster. not to mention the NRL would be worried about the product if the best players weren't playing each week.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I’m 💯 % behind the idea of a points system.

Regardless of how much money a club had or how wealthy their chief benefactor is , EVERY club should have a fair and reasonable crack at being successful.

The AFL have a draft , the teams running at the bottom get all the first picks,

It might take a few years to improve but they mostly do.

I’ve got a mate who’s a mad Hawthorn fan , they’ve been **** for years , but this year they are well up into the top 8 , 6th or 7th I think , he’s over the moon.

The NRL ( or should I say Terry Hill) killed the draft but we need something like that ( or this points system ) to even up the comp.

The good sides will still be successful ( unlimited funds for the best football department possible , eg the Storm) but at least from a player perspective the talent should be evened out .

 

[Nordburg]

I’m 💯 % behind the idea of a points system.

Regardless of how much money a club had or how wealthy their chief benefactor is , EVERY club should have a fair and reasonable crack at being successful.

The AFL have a draft , the teams running at the bottom get all the first picks,

It might take a few years to improve but they mostly do.

I’ve got a mate who’s a mad Hawthorn fan , they’ve been **** for years , but this year they are well up into the top 8 , 6th or 7th I think , he’s over the moon.

The NRL ( or should I say Terry Hill) killed the draft but we need something like that ( or this points system ) to even up the comp.

The good sides will still be successful ( unlimited funds for the best football department possible , eg the Storm) but at least from a player perspective the talent should be evened out .

Hawthorn”**** for years”?? Try getting away with saying that to AFL fans😆😆.They won ‘13,’14 & ‘15.When the “premiership window” closes for AFL clubs,they sink towards the bottom for a while and do a full rebuild through the draft.Geelong are the exception though,who are more like the Storm

 

[HK_Eagle]

I’m 💯 % behind the idea of a points system.

Regardless of how much money a club had or how wealthy their chief benefactor is , EVERY club should have a fair and reasonable crack at being successful.

The AFL have a draft , the teams running at the bottom get all the first picks,

It might take a few years to improve but they mostly do.

I’ve got a mate who’s a mad Hawthorn fan , they’ve been **** for years , but this year they are well up into the top 8 , 6th or 7th I think , he’s over the moon.

The NRL ( or should I say Terry Hill) killed the draft but we need something like that ( or this points system ) to even up the comp.

The good sides will still be successful ( unlimited funds for the best football department possible , eg the Storm) but at least from a player perspective the talent should be evened out .

Yes, we’re a happy team at Hawthorn… 😁

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Hawthorn”**** for years”?? Try getting away with saying that to AFL fans😆😆.They won ‘13,’14 & ‘15.When the “premiership window” closes for AFL clubs,they sink towards the bottom for a while and do a full rebuild through the draft.Geelong are the exception though,who are more like the Storm

His words not mine I don’t follow the Victorian code at all , zero interest.

The point I was trying to make was their draft works pretty well.

 

[Nordburg]

His words not mine I don’t follow the Victorian code at all , zero interest.

The point I was trying to make was their draft works pretty well.

The draft does work well,but for league to introduce one,there would have to be a complete overhaul of the whole ecosystem,from juniors up and I doubt clubs like Penrith would go for it

 

[eaglebuzz]

Good thing they were so diligent in enforcing the cap back when we were dominant. What goes around really comes around

 

[davohan123]

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