Sack Seibold.

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Apparently

I guess the same coach doesn't have to worry about the biggest points negative in club history even though overseeing said floggings.
LOL

I love how some people look for loopholes to make a coach's record look impressive. lol

 

[Woodsie]

I love how some people look for loopholes to make a coach's record look impressive. lol

So .. you sound like someone who thinks that Tim Sheen's coaching record will be defined by last nights game ... or that Robinson's career will be judged on his 2023 results ...

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

So .. you sound like someone who thinks that Tim Sheen's coaching record will be defined by last nights game ... or that Robinson's career will be judged on his 2023 results ...

They should be, although their premiership rings are counterbalance to those lack of results.

 

[Woodsie]

They should be, although their premiership rings are counterbalance to those lack of results.

Exactly what the Canberra raiders have been saying about tricky for the past 20 years

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Exactly what the Canberra raiders have been saying about tricky for the past 20 years

Ricky to his credit has won a ring, but he's had a very dry spell so I can understand that sentiment. Both Robinson and Sheens, on the whole have been good coaches, imo. Sheens has been out of coaching for a while, but I think he's been ok. Same as Robinson.

 

[Woodsie]

Ricky to his credit has won a ring, but he's had a very dry spell so I can understand that sentiment. Both Robinson and Sheens, on the whole have been good coaches, imo. Sheens has been out of coaching for a while, but I think he's been ok. Same as Robinson.

You appear to be avoiding my point ... judging a coach by a short term is fraught with errors

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

You appear to be avoiding my point ... judging a coach by a short term is fraught with errors

How so. Until he wins a ring, my assessment of him is unchanged. How long do you want to give him before assessing he is a good coach.He's in his 5th year. Results so far, prove otherwise. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree , then thats ok.

 

[Ryan]

How so. Until he wins a ring, my assessment of him is unchanged. How long do you want to give him before assessing he is a good coach.He's in his 5th year. Results so far, prove otherwise. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree , then thats ok.

Mate, the clubs taken some pretty big steps to give him the team he wants next season. We have to at least give him until end 2024 before we think about re-assessing.

Think about it like this. In the past 6-7 years, we've had Michael Monaghan, Chad Randall, John Cartwright, Trent Barrett, Des Hasler, Shane Flannagan, Geoff Toovey, Anthony Siebold, Jim Dymock, Steven Hales etc etc etc (take your pick - all different types, flavours, experiences, cultures, strategies), and none of them have consistently aided us in being successful.

So where do you draw the line here? Can't keep sacking them.

It's the playing roster / the culture here. And that's being changed. Therefore, you have to stick with what you have in coaching now for a while, give the reins to them, and let them steer the ship.

 

[StuBoot]

You appear to be avoiding my point ... judging a coach by a short term is fraught with errors

Exactly, just the same as players.

I've always said that you can't really judge until their contract is up, plus we all have differing views on what a successful season/term/contract is.
I remember some mates bagging Kite after a less than stellar first season at Manly (2005) and we know how that turned out.
Just one example, l know but...

Coach's are a bit different as they generally inherit a squad of players that they didn't assemble so it's how they mould the squad and regenerate it that is the issue.

Ciraldo had the biggest wraps on him and a head start on recruitment with pretty much an open chequebook, are the Dogs any better than last year?
Arguably no, but he's got four more years to see if his coaching philosophy works.

At least Seibold has gone to market, something that most lamented with Des.

Time will tell.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Mate, the clubs taken some pretty big steps to give him the team he wants next season. We have to at least give him until end 2024 before we think about re-assessing.

Think about it like this. In the past 6-7 years, we've had Michael Monaghan, Chad Randall, John Cartwright, Trent Barrett, Des Hasler, Shane Flannagan, Geoff Toovey, Anthony Siebold, Jim Dymock, Steven Hales etc etc etc (take your pick - all different types, flavours, experiences, cultures, strategies), and none of them have consistently aided us in being successful.

So where do you draw the line here? Can't keep sacking them.

It's the playing roster / the culture here. And that's being changed. Therefore, you have to stick with what you have in coaching now for a while, give the reins to them, and let them steer the ship.

That's a fair assessment. Im not a big fan of his coaching, but yeah I think a longer window makes sense in that respect. I hope Im wrong.

 

[Eagles4Life]

How so. Until he wins a ring, my assessment of him is unchanged. How long do you want to give him before assessing he is a good coach.He's in his 5th year. Results so far, prove otherwise. It's just my opinion. If you don't agree , then thats ok.

His numbers when compared to a lot of other current NRL coaches are pretty similar. In fact, when comparing his numbers (win/loss %) to Kevin Walter's numbers, they are almost exactly the same. His numbers would suggest that he is an average NRL coach, but certainly no worse than a lot of his peers. Personally, I think out of all of the other similar NRL coaches (excluding Bellamy, Cleary, Robinson, Bennett etc), Seibold has the greatest upside. He is currently shaping the Manly side for 2024/2025. Let's see how he goes next season (I see him improving his win/loss percentage with us to around the 60% range next year). Go Manly.

Team	Name	Time as coach	Prem	W	L	D	GC	Win%	Prem	W	L	D	GC	Win%
		Current							Career
Brisbane	Kevin Walters	2 years, 235 days	0	27	30	0	57	48%	0	27	30	0	57	48%
Canberra	Ricky Stuart	9 years, 235 days	0	115	107	1	223	51.8%	1	236	230	2	468	50.5%
Canterbury-Bankstown	Cameron Ciraldo	235 days	0	4	6	0	10	40%	0	7	9	0	16	44%
Cronulla-Sutherland	Craig Fitzgibbon	1 year, 235 days	0	22	11	0	33	67%	0	22	11	0	33	67%
Gold Coast	Jim Lenihan †	2 days	0	0	0	0	0	0%	0	0	0	0	0	0%
Manly-Warringah	Anthony Seibold	235 days	0	4	4	1	9	48%	0	36	39	2	77	47%
Melbourne	Craig Bellamy	20 years, 279 days	3	364	158	2	524	69.8%	3	365	158	2	525	69.5%
New Zealand	Andrew Webster	235 days	0	5	5	0	10	50%	0	5	8	0	13	38.5%
Newcastle	Adam O'Brien	3 years, 235 days	0	32	46	2	80	41.5%	0	32	46	2	80	41.5%
North Queensland	Todd Payten	2 years, 235 days	0	29	31	0	60	48%	0	35	39	0	74	48.5%
Parramatta	Brad Arthur	9 years, 235 days	0	126	115	0	241	52.4%	0	126	115	0	241	52.4%
Penrith	Ivan Cleary	4 years, 235 days	2	78	24	1	103	75.8%	2	218	178	4	398	55.3%
Dolphins	Wayne Bennett	235 days	0	6	4	0	10	60%	7	561	322	14	897	63%
South Sydney	Jason Demetriou	1 year, 235 days	0	23	14	0	37	62.3%	0	23	14	0	37	62.3
St. George Illawarra	Ryan Carr †	39 days	0	2	2	0	4	50%	0	2	2	0	4	50%
Sydney Roosters	Trent Robinson	10 years, 235 days	3	166	93	0	259	64.5%	3	166	93	0	259	64.5%
Wests Tigers	Tim Sheens	235 days	0	2	7	0	9	22%	4	342	329	11	681	50.4%