I like this bit! They all got pissed and it was only later they realised Des had outsmarted them again!
[Resurrected] SACK Des Hasler!!
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That’s a supporters page on Facebook not the club page !!
Damien2812
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Manly vs Des Hasler battle: Coach ponders quitting unless Sea Eagles owners give him and club stability
Des Hasler is contracted to the Sea Eagles through 2023, but there’s one big factor that could see him leave the club, writes Dean Ritchie.@BulldogRitchie
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September 13, 2022 - 11:50AM
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NRL: The NRL 360 panel chat through the meeting which took place at the Manly Sea Eagles and if coach Des Hasler is the right man for the job.
Des Hasler is now considering a prospect that would have been unthinkable just 12 months ago — walking away as Manly head coach, effective immediately.
It would be a decision that would rock the famous NRL club to its core.
The Daily Telegraph has been told Hasler will contemplate leaving if he cannot secure stability from the club’s owners.
Other Manly football club employees are also considering their immediate futures.
Friends say Hasler is uncertain whether to coach in 2023 — the final year of his contract — if he cannot be given a new deal for 2024.
One source close to Hasler said: “The longer this goes on, the more unstable it is for the players and football management and the more untenable Des’ employment for 2023 becomes.
“You can’t have a high-performance environment without stability.”
Debate continues about what was said and offered inside a clear-the-air meeting between Hasler, his manager George Mimis, Manly CEO Tony Mestrov and club chairman Scott Penn in North Sydney last week.
Some say Hasler was offered a new one-year extension for 2024 but the club denied an offer was made.
Manly want a succession plan from Hasler but the current issues are making that request, according to sources, virtually impossible.
Hasler is genuinely torn.
He has an unbreakable bond and devotion to his players but feels he has not received that same support from management.
His preference would be to stay but remaining at Brookvale for just one year would be, as one source said, “a waste of everyone’s time”.
Manly would be left in disarray if Hasler quit the club.
Players could return from an off-season break without the club having a head coach and possibly both assistants with Chad Randall being linked to Canterbury and Michael Monaghan to Canberra and Gold Coast.
It was just a year ago that Hasler guided Manly into the NRL’s top four.
No timeline has been discussed for a decision with Manly management looking at all their options.
Despite the drama, Hasler continues to complete season reviews for all his players.
Kent: Everyone a loser in Manly vs Hasler
– Paul KentUniversal truth is that failed peace treaties often end in civil wars, which is the territory the Manly Sea Eagles seem to be heading.
Thursday’s peace accord in a North Sydney office (see story below) did little to ease tensions at the club, which seemed to be the intention going in, if not coming out.
Manly coach Des Hasler sought to have his contract extended by a year in a bid to settle tensions and bring stability to the club, and management, raising the stakes, rebuffed him.
Both sides left claiming victory.
Take out the fact this is all over football, and not over occupied lands, and it reads like a history of the 20th century.
Which means it probably won’t end well.
Hasler was always one of the most unassuming players in the game.
Quiet and unfailingly polite, his nickname through much of his career was “Sorry”.
He was always apologising, keen to keep the mood calm.
Fair to say things have changed considerably.
Hasler has perfected the crazy professor act since he began coaching, privately taking delight in nonsense comments at press conferences that are vague enough that most league reporters nowadays let him carry on without interruption through fear that questioning his odd comments might expose their own lack of knowledge.
Hasler giggles about it afterwards.
Hasler’s relationship with owner Scott Penn seems irreparable, and incoming chief executive Tony Mestrov seems to have a clear dictate to wrest back control from the coach.
Another old truth is that war is sometimes safer than peace, given at least you know where the fire is coming from, which will make for interesting times out Manly way for the next 12 months or so.
Mixed messages cloud Hasler’s future
-Brent Read, Dean Ritchie, Michael Carayannis, David RiccioDes Hasler retains the backing of his playing group but the support of the club’s hierarchy remains in the balance after the coach emerged from a meeting on Thursday to conflicting reports over his future.
Hasler will be at Manly in 2023 and quite likely 2024. Then again, maybe not.
His future beyond next season is likely to hinge on results and his ability to convince Sea Eagles powerbrokers that he is the man to take them further, either as head coach or in a role that allows him to help choose his successor.
Hasler and his agent George Mimis hoped to gain some clarity around the future at a meeting with Manly chair Scott Penn and chief executive Tony Mestrov on Thursday following a week in which the two-time premiership winner and his club have created a slew of headlines.
Both sides were tight-lipped after the meeting but it is understood there was an agreement that Hasler would remain in charge next season — the final year of his existing deal. Beyond that, his fate depended on who you spoke to.
There was talk that Hasler had been guaranteed 2024 as well. Sources close to the club denied that had happened. They said the parties have agreed to work together on a plan beyond 2023, most likely with Hasler playing a role in choosing his successor.
Weighing in Hasler’s favour is that he retains widespread support from the playing group — it is understood a survey of the players confirmed that the coach was still in their good books.
Captain Daly Cherry-Evans also enjoys healthy support from the club — the survey of teammates was glowing in his appraisal of his leadership.
Cherry-Evans’ leadership has been under scrutiny amid reports that there was a push to have Jake Trbojevic take over the captaincy. The feedback from the players would suggest there is nothing wrong with Cherry-Evans captaincy.
The Daily Telegraph spoke with Hasler and Mimis on Thursday night but neither wanted to publicly discuss what unfolded at the meeting.
However, it is understood that Mimis presented Penn with a post-Hasler succession plan for his eventual departure — Sydney Roosters assistant Jason Ryles, North Queensland’s Dean Young, Cronulla’s Josh Hannay and South Sydney assistant Ben Hornby have been identified as potential successors.
The clear-the-air meeting was deemed “constructive”. A source close to the club said: “It was all about creating stability and then building a succession plan and pathway.”
Hasler, 61, will now help the club navigate a plan for the club to start moving forward “successfully and harmoniously”, according to the source.
It is understood recruitment manager Scott Fulton also met with Mestrov and Penn separately on Thursday — the meetings were held at Penn’s offices in North Sydney.
Despite all the scrutiny and headlines this week, Hasler continued working on end-of-season reviews for the club and players.
As part of those reviews, players were asked to complete a 40-question survey which discussed a range of issues from Hasler’s coaching to the captaincy of Cherry-Evans.
The questionnaire was designed for the coach’s self-improvement and to flag any concerns that may have been among the players in the squad.
The Sea Eagles need to start next season fast to ease the pressure on Hasler and they will have a new-look side given five-eighth Kieran Foran and utility Dylan Walker are among the players departing for rivals.
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Des Hasler is now considering a prospect that would have been unthinkable just 12 months ago — walking away as Manly head coach, effective immediately.
It would be a decision that would rock the famous NRL club to its core.
The Daily Telegraph has been told Hasler will contemplate leaving if he cannot secure stability from the club’s owners.
Other Manly football club employees are also considering their immediate futures.
Friends say Hasler is uncertain whether to coach in 2023 — the final year of his contract — if he cannot be given a new deal for 2024.
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One source close to Hasler said: “The longer this goes on, the more unstable it is for the players and football management and the more untenable Des’ employment for 2023 becomes.
“You can’t have a high-performance environment without stability.”
Coach Des Hasler’s future at the Sea Eagles remains up in the air.
Debate continues about what was said and offered inside a clear-the-air meeting between Hasler, his manager George Mimis, Manly CEO Tony Mestrov and club chairman Scott Penn in North Sydney last week.
Some say Hasler was offered a new one-year extension for 2024 but the club denied an offer was made.
Manly want a succession plan from Hasler but the current issues are making that request, according to sources, virtually impossible.
Hasler is genuinely torn.
He has an unbreakable bond and devotion to his players but feels he has not received that same support from management.
Des Hasler feels Manly’s owners are not being enough stability to the club.
His preference would be to stay but remaining at Brookvale for just one year would be, as one source said, “a waste of everyone’s time”.
Manly would be left in disarray if Hasler quit the club.
Players could return from an off-season break without the club having a head coach and possibly both assistants with Chad Randall being linked to Canterbury and Michael Monaghan to Canberra and Gold Coast.
It was just a year ago that Hasler guided Manly into the NRL’s top four.
No timeline has been discussed for a decision with Manly management looking at all their options.
Despite the drama, Hasler continues to complete season reviews for all his players.
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Kent: Everyone a loser in Manly vs Hasler
– Paul Kent
Universal truth is that failed peace treaties often end in civil wars, which is the territory the Manly Sea Eagles seem to be heading.
Thursday’s peace accord in a North Sydney office (see story below) did little to ease tensions at the club, which seemed to be the intention going in, if not coming out.
Manly coach Des Hasler sought to have his contract extended by a year in a bid to settle tensions and bring stability to the club, and management, raising the stakes, rebuffed him.
Both sides left claiming victory.
Take out the fact this is all over football, and not over occupied lands, and it reads like a history of the 20th century.
Which means it probably won’t end well.
Des Hasler is seeking a contract extension at Manly. Picture: NCA Newswire/Gaye Gerard
Hasler was always one of the most unassuming players in the game.
Quiet and unfailingly polite, his nickname through much of his career was “Sorry”.
He was always apologising, keen to keep the mood calm.
Fair to say things have changed considerably.
Hasler has perfected the crazy professor act since he began coaching, privately taking delight in nonsense comments at press conferences that are vague enough that most league reporters nowadays let him carry on without interruption through fear that questioning his odd comments might expose their own lack of knowledge.
Hasler giggles about it afterwards.
Hasler’s relationship with owner Scott Penn seems irreparable, and incoming chief executive Tony Mestrov seems to have a clear dictate to wrest back control from the coach.
Another old truth is that war is sometimes safer than peace, given at least you know where the fire is coming from, which will make for interesting times out Manly way for the next 12 months or so.
Manly owner Scott Penn and Des Hasler are at odds over his future at the club. Picture: AAP Image/Brendan Esposito
Mixed messages cloud Hasler’s future
-Brent Read, Dean Ritchie, Michael Carayannis, David Riccio
Des Hasler retains the backing of his playing group but the support of the club’s hierarchy remains in the balance after the coach emerged from a meeting on Thursday to conflicting reports over his future.
Hasler will be at Manly in 2023 and quite likely 2024. Then again, maybe not.
His future beyond next season is likely to hinge on results and his ability to convince Sea Eagles powerbrokers that he is the man to take them further, either as head coach or in a role that allows him to help choose his successor.
Hasler and his agent George Mimis hoped to gain some clarity around the future at a meeting with Manly chair Scott Penn and chief executive Tony Mestrov on Thursday following a week in which the two-time premiership winner and his club have created a slew of headlines.
Both sides were tight-lipped after the meeting but it is understood there was an agreement that Hasler would remain in charge next season — the final year of his existing deal. Beyond that, his fate depended on who you spoke to.
Des Hasler will coach the Sea Eagles in 2023. Picture: Matt King/Getty Images
There was talk that Hasler had been guaranteed 2024 as well. Sources close to the club denied that had happened. They said the parties have agreed to work together on a plan beyond 2023, most likely with Hasler playing a role in choosing his successor.
Weighing in Hasler’s favour is that he retains widespread support from the playing group — it is understood a survey of the players confirmed that the coach was still in their good books.
Captain Daly Cherry-Evans also enjoys healthy support from the club — the survey of teammates was glowing in his appraisal of his leadership.
Cherry-Evans’ leadership has been under scrutiny amid reports that there was a push to have Jake Trbojevic take over the captaincy. The feedback from the players would suggest there is nothing wrong with Cherry-Evans captaincy.
The Daily Telegraph spoke with Hasler and Mimis on Thursday night but neither wanted to publicly discuss what unfolded at the meeting.
Manly chief executive Tony Mestrov. Picture: Justin Lloyd
However, it is understood that Mimis presented Penn with a post-Hasler succession plan for his eventual departure — Sydney Roosters assistant Jason Ryles, North Queensland’s Dean Young, Cronulla’s Josh Hannay and South Sydney assistant Ben Hornby have been identified as potential successors.
The clear-the-air meeting was deemed “constructive”. A source close to the club said: “It was all about creating stability and then building a succession plan and pathway.”
Hasler, 61, will now help the club navigate a plan for the club to start moving forward “successfully and harmoniously”, according to the source.
It is understood recruitment manager Scott Fulton also met with Mestrov and Penn separately on Thursday — the meetings were held at Penn’s offices in North Sydney.
Despite all the scrutiny and headlines this week, Hasler continued working on end-of-season reviews for the club and players.
As part of those reviews, players were asked to complete a 40-question survey which discussed a range of issues from Hasler’s coaching to the captaincy of Cherry-Evans.
The questionnaire was designed for the coach’s self-improvement and to flag any concerns that may have been among the players in the squad.
The Sea Eagles need to start next season fast to ease the pressure on Hasler and they will have a new-look side given five-eighth Kieran Foran and utility Dylan Walker are among the players departing for rivals.
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Foran’s decision to leave has been particularly difficult for some players to swallow given he won the players’ player award at the club’s presentation night earlier this week.
If Des has the confidence in his own ability
He wont spit the dummy out
He will take on season 2023 and take on this great opportunity and challenge and back him self and his team and make the finals and show Manly people his worth and earn himself a contract extension.
To Des Hasler
No results no contract
I am sure you have more resolve and character than to walk away without a fight like Trent did
Coach: OK guys, I know some of you don't have contracts for next year but you still have to rip in at training and put your bodies on the line each week for the team.
Also coach: No extension?????? Fudge this, I'm off!
(not saying des is doing this, but players are asked to empty the tank every game no matter the contract in place)
Also coach: No extension?????? Fudge this, I'm off!
(not saying des is doing this, but players are asked to empty the tank every game no matter the contract in place)
The moral of your story feathered friend is
We all have to earn our worth
and our worth is based on our results
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frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Jesus...
Jason Ryles, Dean Young, Ben Hornby....
Can anyone hazard a guess as to which dragqueen's name is missing from that group?
Clue: No, not " The Man"...
Jason Ryles, Dean Young, Ben Hornby....
Can anyone hazard a guess as to which dragqueen's name is missing from that group?
Clue: No, not " The Man"...
Damien2812
Bencher
Thanks 👍
Mal Cochrane
I'm not really Mal Cochrane...
In saying that, players should be working hard to earn a contract elsewhere. Don't drop your head, work with the current coach to get the best out of yourself to open future opportunities.
I'm not sure if or why Marty posted the clip of him not getting the ball, and if he wrote something of a complaining nature. But if he did, it may well explain why he is still unsigned for next year. Would you hire someone for your business if you saw something that hinted on blaming the workplace that came directly from that person.
Nah thanks
Ryan
Journey Man
One source close to Hasler said: “The longer this goes on, the more unstable it is for the players and football management and the more untenable Des’ employment for 2023 becomes.
“You can’t have a high-performance environment without stability.”
So ummm, where this imaginary "high performance environment" this clown is alluding to?
“You can’t have a high-performance environment without stability.”
So ummm, where this imaginary "high performance environment" this clown is alluding to?
Brisbane Tragic
Bencher
I know it is a silly question but asking for a friend which successful coach and quality half are you bringing in instead? Now personally I have been very critical of DCE and certainly don't believe he can game manage or put a team on his shoulders and will us to victory or be effective when his forwards are going backwards BUT he is still a very very decent half back. I would have liked DCE to go to the Dolphins and for us to have a genuine succession plan but that hasn't happened. So yes my friend is wondering when you get rid of the two of them who are you bringing in that are realistic chances of coming here AND that will do a better job?
Mexican stand off. But is he walks because he doesn’t get an extension he breaks the contract and doesn’t get paid out. I doubt Des is leaving without being paid.
Ryan
Journey Man
You've already been given many examples of both.
I thought it was an echo ...
I don’t believe the press but hate the silence from the club.
Des will not walk away from $800k
He LOVES $$$$$$
If he wants to go he’ll just wait for a payout.
Well they are back at work we got a press release today so I’m expecting an update
#nextweek
So it's becoming quite clear:
- Des won't want to leave without getting paid out. Also this would be his last chance imo to coach a Nrl side so not sure he would want to leave on the last note being this seasons results
- The club wants a succession plan however have forced Des's staff to basically leave so that makes lots of sense?
- if Des stays next season, much like this season, his decisions will be short sighted (forget long term development of players, he will continue to pick experience over youth as every result will be critical as he only has the 1 year on his contract
- if Des somehow does leave in the off season, we basically have no coaches, structures/plans going into next year and will be way behind the 8 ball before a ball is even kicked for 2023. It's basically already too late to get a new coaching team in place for 23
Who will blink first in this mexican stand off/shi* show!
- Des won't want to leave without getting paid out. Also this would be his last chance imo to coach a Nrl side so not sure he would want to leave on the last note being this seasons results
- The club wants a succession plan however have forced Des's staff to basically leave so that makes lots of sense?
- if Des stays next season, much like this season, his decisions will be short sighted (forget long term development of players, he will continue to pick experience over youth as every result will be critical as he only has the 1 year on his contract
- if Des somehow does leave in the off season, we basically have no coaches, structures/plans going into next year and will be way behind the 8 ball before a ball is even kicked for 2023. It's basically already too late to get a new coaching team in place for 23
Who will blink first in this mexican stand off/shi* show!
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