eagleron
Bencher
Get well soon mate, I hope you don't get the bad version of the bastard 👍
Rainbow Jersey Press Conference
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SeaEagle21
Bencher
Thought we could use a bit of a laugh 🤣
eagleron
Bencher
I'm with you on that, I had a neighbour years ago who would buy a slab on Saturday and share it with me while we watched the afl, ge would spend every game explaining the rules and finer points of the game and by full time the carton would be gone, I'd be p1ssed and leave for home no further advanced in the knowledge of the game, lol. I'm a fan of Liverpool in the premier league but can't get into the Aussie equivalent
Technical Coach
Bencher
They would support the team as per usual not the marketing promotion, it's actually a much easier decision.
Wearing the jersey makes the players feel they are being forced to tow the line, everyone has the right to keep their belief system to themselves or their sexuality, neither side should be "forced" or cornered into "outing" themselves from both sides.
Never thought I’d be talking about this on this forum, but I had to have my say on this matter as a gay life-long Manly supporter.
The situation as a whole is regrettable and it does hurt, when your heroes reject you as a person, it’s certainly deflating.
However, I respect the decision of the players and their faith. They should never have been forced into this situation and I hope the club and sport as a whole learns a lesson from this bungle.
The true message should be about treating all people equally, according to their character and not by ideologues or group identities.
I respect the players decision and hope they receive the same level of tolerance the rainbow crowd would like for themselves.
I respect them as people and will be cheering them on when they are back on the field in the Maroon and White!
I’d love to hear them clarify the motivation behind their stance; regardless I respect them and I really hope despite a difference of opinion they respect me also.
The situation as a whole is regrettable and it does hurt, when your heroes reject you as a person, it’s certainly deflating.
However, I respect the decision of the players and their faith. They should never have been forced into this situation and I hope the club and sport as a whole learns a lesson from this bungle.
The true message should be about treating all people equally, according to their character and not by ideologues or group identities.
I respect the players decision and hope they receive the same level of tolerance the rainbow crowd would like for themselves.
I respect them as people and will be cheering them on when they are back on the field in the Maroon and White!
I’d love to hear them clarify the motivation behind their stance; regardless I respect them and I really hope despite a difference of opinion they respect me also.
blacktown eagle
the pot stirrer
Hey guys, I’m not a regular poster but I’ve read for many years.
If you haven’t watched 360 yet I suggest you guys do.
With this I’m going to go back to the shadows. This whole saga has really dampened my views on the club and our supporter base as a whole.
Everyone is entitled to their own views and beliefs. That is the whole point of inclusivity. Although I think the whole idea of including the rainbow is for a good cause, the way we handled it as a club is nothing short of atrocious.
Many of you have said that these guys are letting their team down. But watching 360 might change your views, did they stand down voluntarily or were they forced to stand down? You’re asking these players to change their view and belief system for something that has been ingrained in them, when footy is done and dusted those beliefs will still be there.
Please be open minded, let’s not ostracize the boys for their own beliefs. Let them sit out this week but cheer them on next week when they run out.
Backs against the wall, this siege mentality our beloved club loves so much, I can see it brewing.
Over and out
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If you haven’t watched 360 yet I suggest you guys do.
With this I’m going to go back to the shadows. This whole saga has really dampened my views on the club and our supporter base as a whole.
Everyone is entitled to their own views and beliefs. That is the whole point of inclusivity. Although I think the whole idea of including the rainbow is for a good cause, the way we handled it as a club is nothing short of atrocious.
Many of you have said that these guys are letting their team down. But watching 360 might change your views, did they stand down voluntarily or were they forced to stand down? You’re asking these players to change their view and belief system for something that has been ingrained in them, when footy is done and dusted those beliefs will still be there.
Please be open minded, let’s not ostracize the boys for their own beliefs. Let them sit out this week but cheer them on next week when they run out.
Backs against the wall, this siege mentality our beloved club loves so much, I can see it brewing.
Over and out
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Son of Manly Beach
Reserve Grader
I watched 360 tonight...some good discussion.
Anyway mate I’ll be cheering for these guys when they run out next week...still disappointed in em though
But hey, this is a very complicated mess that has no immediate solution now.
Go Manly..Manly forever!
Brooke
Bencher
I actually thought he was one of our best players against St George.
Christol74
Reserve Grader
God help us if we get a sun shower during the next Sunday arvo game at Brookvale and a rainbow appears.
That was very well handled by Des and DCE. True leadership.
That was very well handled by Des and DCE. True leadership.
I didn’t watch the 360 but I really liked these to posts. Unfortunately manly stepped into what is still a minefield of opinions on a matter that has very strong views for and against, the club chose to do this but didn’t inform the people who were getting dragged into the same minefield.
I hate that it’s a minefield, I hate that we all just can’t live and let live, education and personal experience is about all that can aid understanding and 20 year old footballers probably arnt there yet.
It didn’t need to be this hard. And the fallout is sad for and is going to affect everyone
Its women in league round FFS. It has and never has been nothing to do with inclusiveness apart from Club Manly have f#cked up. The rest of the rainbow blow up has been only from Club Manly f#cking up. Im All for the cause, but this weekend isn't the place. PVL again has shown NO lack of leadership as the Boss of the League.
Well said Joeboy. If the inclusion and tolerance people really mean what they preach then they will be accommodating to the players.
They haven’t gone out of their way to hurt anyone and were placed in an awkward situation by the club.
Let’s respect their decision and celebrate inclusivity this weekend, including the 7 players unfortunately not lining up this week!
blacktown eagle
the pot stirrer
Very good discussion across the board.
Being disappointed in their decision is okay, but there are quite a few hoping for them to never pull a maroon and white jersey on ever again.
Some perspective.
I was born and raised in the rugby league heartland of western Sydney so I get Pacifika idealogy. I can understand the torment that has most probably gone through most of these guys minds in sticking with their decision. Church and family are first and foremost.
As I said it’s a decision to be ostracised by manly supporters and rugby league supporters as a whole for as long as their playing career spans, or ostracised for a lifetime by family members and their faith.
I have no doubt when these boys pull on the manly jersey there is nothing but pride in representing this great club. So I’m just asking for a fair few of you not to turn your backs on them.
Being disappointed in their decision is okay, but there are quite a few hoping for them to never pull a maroon and white jersey on ever again.
Some perspective.
I was born and raised in the rugby league heartland of western Sydney so I get Pacifika idealogy. I can understand the torment that has most probably gone through most of these guys minds in sticking with their decision. Church and family are first and foremost.
As I said it’s a decision to be ostracised by manly supporters and rugby league supporters as a whole for as long as their playing career spans, or ostracised for a lifetime by family members and their faith.
I have no doubt when these boys pull on the manly jersey there is nothing but pride in representing this great club. So I’m just asking for a fair few of you not to turn your backs on them.
eagleron
Bencher
So did I 👍
Nice to see some people on here have a brain!
Bizarre that so many people seem to think that just because someone is against endorsing pride for religious/ethical reasons they would be duty bound to have the same opinion on gambling. The issues are totally unrelated.
The discussion would have established that fact and the club could have found a more sensitive way to show their support without slapping it on the players' jerseys. It wasn't so long ago that football clubs found ways to speak into an issue without making a new jersey about it.
Scorpio
Armchair Expert
I've seen and heard the term 'lack of consultation' widely blamed in the media. Well how much consultation does anyone think it would have taken to get these players to wear the jersey?
They evidently not only disagree with having a maroon jersey with a few rainbow stripes, but refuse to do their job for an entire 80 minutes (!) in it, and cannot be convinced otherwise.
So I would suggest that any consultation on the matter would have just led to the entire concept being a non-starter, or the can being kicked down the road indefinitely.
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AlxFromNthNarra
Rarely does big posts worth reading....maybe
Bizarre that an individual's post would be classified as the thoughts of 'so many people' and second that /sarc at the end didn't give away the intent of the post.
However seeing as you want to explore the unrelated nature of taking a stand on 'Religious grounds' - which has been unquestionably touted as the motivation here by Media and players alike - lets confer with some reality on this.
Does the Bible explicity say Homosexuality is a sin? No.
Does the Bible explicitly say Gambling is a sin? No.
So neither are categorically outlined as sinful by the tenet of Christian faith.
OK. So....what about the messaging in modern-day Chsristian Religious teachings?
On Homosexuality:
The Bible clearly teaches that marriage is the exclusive and lifelong union of one man and one woman. Genesis 2 records that marriage was instituted by God from the very beginning and hard-wired into human society.
Same-sex marriage - The Christian Institute
OK - Gay Marriage is not suppported - not because it is explicitly disendorsed, but because Marriage is classified as between a Man and Woman - meaning variations outside this are assumed to be against God's will.
Most Christian churches hold the position that you should 'Love the sinner, but hate the sin'. This is generally interpreted to mean that Christians should show love and compassion to homosexuals, but that homosexuals should not engage in sexual activity. This is because most churches teach that sex should only happen within marriage, which the Church defines as being between a man and a woman.
What does Christianity say about homosexuality? - Human sexuality and relationships - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - BBC Bitesize
See also:
Homosexuality: Not a Sin, Not a Sickness Part II "What The Bible Does and Does Not Say..." | Religious Institute
Homosexuality
https://www.kingswood.edu/wp-content/uploads/A-Biblical-Response-to-Homosexuality-Part-2.pdf
On Gambling:
Although the Bible does not discuss gambling in detail, we can discern from Bible principles that God views gambling as a sin.—Ephesians 5:17. *
- Gambling is driven by greed, which God hates. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Ephesians 5:3, 5) Gamblers hope to gain money through the losses of others, but the Bible condemns coveting other people’s possessions.—Exodus 20:17; Romans 7:7; 13:9, 10.
- Gambling, even for small amounts, can arouse a destructive love of money.—1 Timothy 6:9, 10.
- Gamblers often rely on superstitions or luck. However, God views such beliefs as a form of idolatry, which is incompatible with his worship.—Isaiah 65:11.
- Rather than promote a desire to get something for nothing, the Bible encourages hard work. (Ecclesiastes 2:24; Ephesians 4:28) Those who follow the Bible’s advice can “eat food they themselves earn.”—2 Thessalonians 3:10, 12.
Gambling - Christianity
Christians care about gambling because of the harm it can do, to individuals, families, children and society.
christianity.org.uk
Can Christians Gamble? The Complete Answer
At first glance, gambling seems fun and harmless. But the reality is with casinos, lottery tickets, and online gambling, gambling is becoming more of a problem in people’s lives. Our society today loves instant gratification and get-rich-quick schemes, but the Bible tells Christians not to rely...
justdisciple.com
A Christian Response to Sports Gambling - Sports Faith
Is gambling a sin? It's a controversial question for many Christians, but here's wisdom on how to approach sports gambling, including Daily Fantasy Sports.
sportsfaith.com
There is some ambiguity around both topics - which are nuanced and complex in their own ways. However there is a LOT more debate and diversion around the position of Homosexuality in the Christian faith than there is to Gambling - which is almost universally seen as a worship of Money rather than God, and viewed inherently negatively on most Christian resources I consulted.
So hate to say it, but Gambling should actually present more of a difinitive protest on 'Religious grounds' - if that is indeed the real reason behind this boycott. The Christian teachings are far more united on the sinfulness of Gambling over straight Homosexuality (and this is dimishing the Pride intent - which is about WAAAY more than simple homosexuality alone).
So are the issues 'Totally unrelated?' Maybe - but not on the basis of 'Religious Grounds' mate. That's the hill being chosen to fight on here - so maybe get past the false equivalence and see how 'So many people' might be reading between the lines a bit here on the selectiveness of this protest.
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