Membership Update

[conanu]

I have said it before but I don't believe we will compete with other club's membership numbers while our entry point is $85.00. Maybe we are playing the elite game saying our product is worth more, or maybe the other club's pokies are subsidising their lower level entry memberships? Either way, I know people who won't visit a game this year who can't or won't justify spending $85 to just get a membership, scarf, lanyard, etc.

The first three clubs I checked had the following............

Wests Tigers: Supporter $55.00
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Brisbane Broncos: Captain's Membership $40.00
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And Lyall's old club...Cronulla Sharks: Shark Starter $30.00
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Higher volume at lower rates can result in better outcomes through economies of scale. For example we are paying for the same membership staff if 5 people ring or 20. Might as well have 20.

Keep the $85.00 option, add a lower priced option with less supporter pack items (keep keyring, car sticker), add to that the standard incentives to encourage attending games (which we desperately need), then do promotions to up-sell into better packages at year 3 or so.

I couldn't agree more with this post. I raised this very point when I messaged the club before the members forum. I live overseas and just don't have spare cash to buy $85 worth of lanyards and hats. I suggested a purely basic supporters membership of say $30 that just gets a keyring and sticker. Having said that I will more than likely buy just myself the one $85 membership however If they did a basic membership for $30 I would buy my 8 nieces and nephews who live overseas and will never attend a game a membership and the club would get 9 members instead of one and it would cost me $270. But $720 at the current price I wont ever do that as I cant justify that kind of spend and I won't be buying a membership for $85 for a kid that isn't that interested in footy. If i had bucket loads of cash I would do it as it is for the club, but I just don't have it, like plenty of others I am sure.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Any of the memberships that don’t include a seat or entry are basically donations to the cause.

I have to ring them to adjust mine as I’ll be away in the caravan for six months next year so it’s a basic membership this time around!!

 

[The Wheel]

Any of the memberships that don’t include a seat or entry are basically donations to the cause.

I have to ring them to adjust mine as I’ll be away in the caravan for six months next year so it’s a basic membership this time around!!

Talk to Eric

 

[Ralphie]

Not bad.
Or a Big End of Town membership, where your membership is paid for by the sweat of your employees while you enjoy the game from your tax- free corporate box, that you require because you never pay any tax on anything?

It has to be realistic and the only one I see as realistic is the leftie one

 

[The Wheel]

I have said it before but I don't believe we will compete with other club's membership numbers while our entry point is $85.00. Maybe we are playing the elite game saying our product is worth more, or maybe the other club's pokies are subsidising their lower level entry memberships? Either way, I know people who won't visit a game this year who can't or won't justify spending $85 to just get a membership, scarf, lanyard, etc.

The first three clubs I checked had the following............

Wests Tigers: Supporter $55.00
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Brisbane Broncos: Captain's Membership $40.00
View attachment 10238

And Lyall's old club...Cronulla Sharks: Shark Starter $30.00
View attachment 10239

Higher volume at lower rates can result in better outcomes through economies of scale. For example we are paying for the same membership staff if 5 people ring or 20. Might as well have 20.

Keep the $85.00 option, add a lower priced option with less supporter pack items (keep keyring, car sticker), add to that the standard incentives to encourage attending games (which we desperately need), then do promotions to up-sell into better packages at year 3 or so.

Feedback from the club is below;;




“Thanks for passing on the feedback, it’s always great to know how our fans are feeling and what their thinking.


Our adult Born & Bred package was our most sought after package in 2018. We discussed the option of introducing a more entry level package, however, we were not in a position to offer one when we went on sale for 2019. With some more man-power now here in the Membership team it is definitely something that we will revisit as the season progress with the potential of additional packages coming in to play, as well as something that we will re-evaluated when it comes to planning for 2020.”

 

[Bearfax]

What about a "Union Member" package, where you get to contribute a set proportion of your pay to fund socialist/greenie agenda's designed to make you obsolete/unemployed.

Churches work on that principle Terry. 10% or 12% of income or a tithe and you're one of the clan. Mind you the Catholic Church several centuries ago had something called Indulgences. You paid the Church and your sins are forgiven and you receive a ticket to Heaven. Martin Luther suggested this was false advertising. similarly if you wish to give your money to the right wing parties, its little different from Catholic Church indulgences. There is no picket fenced home waiting at the end of that rainbow.

 

[Bearfax]

All true, but the crucial difference is that church and right wing donations are entirely voluntary. Many union workplaces work on a somewhat different set of principles.

I was a union head in a state government authority Terry and like many in the community you accept the media line and the fact that there are the few bad union people, just as there are in management and business. But I worked in a structure that was entirely voluntary. I worked for almost ten years as a union rep. Didn't get paid a cent, except for 18 months when I was seconded to the PSA and then I was paid a wage equivalent to what I was already earning. Except for those rare instances no union official I worked for was paid a cent to do the union business. They also had to make up their time above and beyond their normal work which wasn't lessened. Often prepared material on evenings and weekends .

Our main issues we fought for were for wages, conditions and and seeking to make the Department more efficient, by breaking down unnecessary bureaucracy that loaded the average worker more and more duties for no extra pay. And for that we were often targeted by Management. Two colleagues in senior positions in the union (unpaid) were persecuted so badly that they ended up being pensioned off on psychological grounds. You wouldn't believe the accusations, which I was able to read in full and defend against and had minimal basis for the attacks. But the Department were able to con the Industrial Court in persecution that lasted 2 years. I was lucky to get out comparatively unscathed, though I did cop unjust attacks on numerous occasions.

Thing is Terry, that the media and powers that control, give a very slanted view of union activity. They are very quick to identify those who are corrupt in the system, but of course you never hear of the managers who are far more corrupt, and again that comes from personal experience. I get very annoyed with the generalised attack on unions, many of which include some of the most honourable people around. I would trust most of my fellow union people I knew implicitly. But good friends who went into management too often sold their souls.

 

[simon64]

I consider my political views to be pretty right wing and wouldn't vote Labor under any circumstance; particularly with the leader they currently have. We'll be a laughing stock if he ever becomes PM.

But I belong to the union because in my industry, you never know when you might need them. Totally voluntary.

A huge concern is the erosion of people's incomes in real terms. The cost of living keeps going up. The lunacy of green power needs to stop. I'm happy for people who are passionate about climate change to pay higher prices but I'm not. Let's see how passionate they are if a "two tier" system of electricity rates is introduced. Not very I'm betting.

And then you have those idiot 14 year olds who are going to strike from school in a protest against climate change. That's a pisstake surely. My old man would've kicked my ass and if I ever mentioned it again, it would've been the last words I ever said. Bloody millennials.

 

[Loobs]

If you're disillusioned with our political parties, just wait till AI/machine learning and robotics really take hold. Then you'll see how asleep at the wheel they all are...

 

[Referee]

Enough!

We are getting sick of multiple threads turning into a "looney left v fascist right" comment-a-thon." If you (and it's always the same few) want to have a political discussion, then take it to the general discussion or silvertails soapbox sub-forums. This is the football related section. Discussions about current events (such as our new PM every few months) are not a problem. Turning multiple threads into a left v right rarely has any winners. Both sides, go and find your friends on twitter, facebook, or other like minded forums and leave this footy forum clear of your continual diatribes that most are sick of listening too.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Enough!

We are getting sick of multiple threads turning into a "looney left v fascist right" comment-a-thon." If you (and it's always the same few) want to have a political discussion, then take it to the general discussion or silvertails soapbox sub-forums. This is the football related section. Discussions about current events (such as our new PM every few months) are not a problem. Turning multiple threads into a left v right rarely has any winners. Both sides, go and find your friends on twitter, facebook, or other like minded forums and leave this footy forum clear of your continual diatribes that most are sick of listening too.

As much as I agree with your sentiment; I will refuse to listen to anything you say and will not give you an ounce of respect while you continue to use that abomination of an avatar.

 

[Ranga]

I personally didn’t mind the discussion in this thread - it was perhaps the most respectful, constructive “left vs right” debate that I have seen in a long time! Besides, it’s the off season with bugger all going on at the moment MWSE news wise. Makes for a nice change!

 

[Class of 96]

Enough!

We are getting sick of multiple threads turning into a "looney left v fascist right" comment-a-thon." If you (and it's always the same few) want to have a political discussion, then take it to the general discussion or silvertails soapbox sub-forums. This is the football related section. Discussions about current events (such as our new PM every few months) are not a problem. Turning multiple threads into a left v right rarely has any winners. Both sides, go and find your friends on twitter, facebook, or other like minded forums and leave this footy forum clear of your continual diatribes that most are sick of listening too.

That gets my vote for ‘Spray of the Month’!

Avatar sux

 

[Kevinward777]

Fair enough. And I got the last say too. I would say though that if we shut down every thread that veered into non football territory, this place would be tumbleweeds. And that avatar has to go - joke or no joke, that face is puke inducing.

I dare say all we’ll have left soon is football, fishing, caravanning and the age old debate about the existence of God...my main problem is that there really is only a limited amount of ways to express how excited we are all feeling post about Des making Manly great again... perhaps we could to start up Italian lessons or something... you know to kill the time in an acceptable fashion, during these Summer months.

 

[Freagle]

Don't blame the kids - blame their loony left teachers forcing their political views onto those they are supposed to be "teaching" - try "indoctrinating". In the old days kids were encouraged to have an enquiring mind and decide things for themselves. Now we are creating a society of uniform thinking drones - leftism is totalitarianism.

I personally didn’t mind the discussion in this thread - it was perhaps the most respectful, constructive “left vs right” debate that I have seen in a long time! Besides, it’s the off season with bugger all going on at the moment MWSE news wise. Makes for a nice change!

I do believe the terms "loony", "totalitarianism" and "indoctrinating children" are far from respectful and constructive. Typically small-minded perhaps, but not conducive to balanced debate.

 

[Harvies elbow]

So if we can't mention left or right wing how do we discuss:
Brown Irvine
Jackson Mooney
Booth Mooney
Davis Ronson
Hoppa snr Moore
Robbo Hicksy
Robbo Hoppa
I preferred when times were simpler...

 

[Woodsie]

..... fanculo looney di sinistra ...

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Well we could all start talking about lawn bowls , which I played today ( and lost).

And before you start laughing it’s a bloody good game and a lot more difficult than you might think.

 

[EaglesDontTweet]

Well we could all start talking about lawn bowls , which I played today ( and lost).

And before you start laughing it’s a bloody good game and a lot more difficult than you might think.

Much like the NRL, you have to overcome the bias to win.

 

[Bearfax]

No argument there are many good people in all walks of life, and you are clearly one of them. I have worked in the corporate world for over 30 years, and what I have seen is a once noble cause to protect worker rights being gradually subsumed by the global socialist cause and green idealogy - global warming, ridiculous energy prices, gender politics and the like. That is why the traditional working class is now more aligned with what were traditionally conservative political forces (Republican in the US, Liberal here) because the so-called left side of politics no longer really care about the worker, except as a means to an end. We now have the "Labor" leader and probable next PM advocating for a 50% renewable target - guaranteed to force businesses to go bust and battlers unable to pay for basic energy, all for exactly zero environmental impact. And many of those battlers are funding this absurdity with their union dues. For every good example you quote, I could name mutliple examples of union bully-boy coercion.

As I said I don't dispute that there are bad union people. But I worked in the NSW State Government and got to meet the majority of union reps and only met a few bad ones. Most were in it to protect their fellow workers. Yet I see continuously attacks on the unions by the media and governments and certain shock jocks, that I know to be lies. But the unions have no voice to respond.

I'm a centrist politically, though I have conservative views on some things, left leaning views on others. I am not a scientist, but I read a great deal of literature about various scientific issues. Concerning the 'global socialism' conspiracy, that is an effort to tar all people who have positions not favourable to the conservative positions with the same brush. Socialism is a philosophy whereby free enterprise does not exist, and the Government runs everything. Name one county that does that. China has free enterprise, Russia has free enterprise. Maybe North Korea, but global socialism is a myth. The issue is about wealth and power, and who controls it. Pure socialism doesn't work because it doesn't allow for initiative. Pure capitalism, as being tried by Trump also doesn't work, because it doesn't have controls on loans, exploitation, wages etc. That's what brought on the 1929 depression and 2007-8 Major recession. Roosevelt and Obama saved America from going down the gurgler by increased business controls, especially regarding unsecured loans, and increased stimuli.

You speak of Global Warming with derision yet 95% of the world wide scientific community admit it exists, its causing serious environmental problems, and alternative energy systems must be found. Only self interested government officials and the very few scientists with vested interests disagree. Anyone who disputes it should ask how it is that Russia is now able to traverse the ice free area in summer of the Arctic across the top of the Eurasian continent, something that has never been possible in the past from the times of Cabot and Cook who tried without any success to find the north passage.