Manly in Crisis (a mega thread)

[Terry Zarsoff]

The most promising sentence from all of the earlier media coverage is: But the club is in the midst of scrapping Blacktown as a direct feeder club and moving their NSW Cup side back under the Manly umbrella.
Let's hope that is true.
From my perspective:
I'd replace DESpicable with Steve Hales. Yes, he's untried at NRL level but he's had great success in the junior ranks and can obviously relate to the current crop of players. From what I've read, this generation of footballers need a special understanding, including the sensibilities of the Pacifica players. Manly is heavily weighted with Pacifica players. There's nothing wrong with that, but it means that the team dynamic must include a coach who knows how to get the best out of them. That rules out DESpicable, Maguire, Flanagan and others from the older generation.
I wouldn't be opposed to Slater coaching the club. He's a smart guy, and is innovative.
I'd love to see Manly link with clubs in Fiji, Tonga, Samoa and NZ. We will need a strong pathway to the Pacifica talent pools if we are to be competitive.
Obviously I'd like to see a change of ownership, but if the Penns have the nous, courage and generosity to make progressive changes then they will gain my support (as insignificant as this may be).

Good call on Hales T-dub. And he must be good, because apparently Bozo rated him and he was always a keen judge. Blunty, third party deals, Trent and Gutho all spring to mind.

We would obviously be better off with a tyro 1st grade coach dealing with the off-field cathouse at Brookabeen, rather than an experienced hand who has spent the bulk of the last four decades dealing with an array of clowns on and off-field - Penn, Delmege, etc. off-field. Then the likes of Watmough in the past and the latest menagerie, on-field.

Yes, I’m only half joking.

Perhaps rather than move Des on for someone who apparently ‘understands’ the collective psyche of a bunch of western Sydney wannabes, try and put a ceiling on the whole Pacifica concept.

I would rather still have players like Gutherson, Verrills, Hynes and Garner in our system (wouldn’t you?), either true local juniors or imported early, than the bulk of these Islander lads of critically divided loyalties who have helped sabotage Manly’s season.

Agree on Slater, he would be good. However he would want the sort of resourcing that Des seems to find illusory from the St Ives set. Slater would only have to talk to Frank Ponissi (oh to have Frank as our football manager) to get a former insider’s viewpoint on what it can be like at Manly.

Meanwhile Hales may go onto be a very good 1st grade coach at some point, but even he might think next year is not the right time to take over from Hasler.

 

[Shoe1]

No idea. Just sounded weird. It is the people in the club that are the only ones relevent, surely.

Thought it was zorba, krilich?

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

You wouldn't support Slater at Manly, but you'd support Bennett at Redcliff? Mate, you're part of the Manly family, DNA and fabric. You're frustrated right now (which I get), but you're stuck with us. Haha

I’m with the big fella here, not to the extent of going to another team, but if Slater got involved I wouldn’t be invested while he was here

If Hasler gets boned in the off season my interest gets diluted again tbh. I don’t read a lot on here these days, but the people with the pitchforks out for Hasler and DCE would want to be careful what they wish for, if they think it’s bad now, good luck with what their wishes would see incoming

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Thought it was zorba, krilich?

Yes a counter-intuitive comment when you’ve placed performance clauses on the coach and apparently are keen to create a confrontation by ditching his closest support staff, which could see him walk.

I’m not opposed to changes off-field, but pay the man the respect he is due by doing it in a collegial manner.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Thought it was zorba, krilich?

Fair enough, although I assume both are life members of the District Football Club, which is a (minority) part-owner of Sea Eagles of the club... so personally I wouldn't have refered to them as 'outside'. Whatever. As @Terry Zarsoff alludes to, the main gunning for Hasler appears to be from Penn himself!

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Fair enough, although I assume both are life members of the District Football Club, which is a (minority) part-owner of Sea Eagles of the club... so personally I wouldn't have refered to them as 'outside'. Whatever. As @Terry Zarsoff alludes to, the main gunning for Hasler appears to be from Penn himself!

Presumably using Uncle Peter as his usual ‘go to guy’ to stir up media attention.

That is one of the oddities of the current setup. The BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front) of the Football Club’s mission is to protect the club from the potential excesses of the private owners.

Obviously you want the club and the private owners to be on the same page, but sometimes at least one board member seems to back the perceived interests of the Penns, rather than the general health of the entire entity.

 

[Shoe1]

Fair enough, although I assume both are life members of the District Football Club, which is a (minority) part-owner of Sea Eagles of the club... so personally I wouldn't have refered to them as 'outside'. Whatever. As @Terry Zarsoff alludes to, the main gunning for Hasler appears to be from Penn himself!

Agree, they’re insiders by any definition.

 

[master blaster]

Good call on Hales T-dub. And he must be good, because apparently Bozo rated him and he was always a keen judge. Blunty, third party deals, Trent and Gutho all spring to mind.

We would obviously be better off with a tyro 1st grade coach dealing with the off-field cathouse at Brookabeen, rather than an experienced hand who has spent the bulk of the last four decades dealing with an array of clowns on and off-field - Penn, Delmege, etc. off-field. Then the likes of Watmough in the past and the latest menagerie, on-field.

Yes, I’m only half joking.

Perhaps rather than move Des on for someone who apparently ‘understands’ the collective psyche of a bunch of western Sydney wannabes, try and put a ceiling on the whole Pacifica concept.

I would rather still have players like Gutherson, Verrills, Hynes and Garner in our system (wouldn’t you?), either true local juniors or imported early, than the bulk of these Islander lads of critically divided loyalties who have helped sabotage Manly’s season.

Agree on Slater, he would be good. However he would want the sort of resourcing that Des seems to find illusory from the St Ives set. Slater would only have to talk to Frank Ponissi (oh to have Frank as our football manager) to get a former insider’s viewpoint on what it can be like at Manly.

Meanwhile Hales may go onto be a very good 1st grade coach at some point, but even he might think next year is not the right time to take over from Hasler.

Another one we let go, Ponissi

 

[Bomb Voyage]

So what news do we expect today with the start of the week, hopefully something

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Another one we let go, Ponissi

To be fair it was a time of turmoil, c.2003, when Thomson was CEO and Sharp was on his last legs as coach, before the changes instigated by Arthurson that saw the club rise back to the top.

Pity that Frank didn’t hang around a year or so longer. He might still be here.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

So what news do we expect today with the start of the week, hopefully something

Apparently they’re not meeting until Thursday. So maybe just a few more days of speculation.

 

[Wombat64]

NRL 360 will be fun tonight ......

 

[40 nil]

Trbojevic backs Hasler, denies feud with Cherry-Evans

Manly superstar Trbojevic backs Hasler, denies feud with Cherry-Evans

Tom Trbojevic has moved to silence speculation that he and brother Jake have fallen out with captain Daly Cherry-Evans. He’s also thrown his weight behind Des Hasler.

www.smh.com.au

 

[winnyason]

The infighting needs to stop. Cleal and Singe needs to go. Fulton's and Des need to get along.
Let's be clear it seems the Josh Schuster selections are the issue by sounds of it again. Josh has the spot next season but his manager and fulton need to be clear first grade needs to be earned not given.
Des needs to be less stubborn but have a feeling a certain player manager is trying to dictate to him. Des supported his client in the stabbing farce which derailed our recruitment at 9 for over 3 seasons.

 

[Shoe1]

Apparently they’re not meeting until Thursday. So maybe just a few more days of speculation.

Great!

 

[manly al]

Sure that it is nothing that can not be resolved although the media will milk it for all that it is worth for click bait and headline attention and ingrained in many quarters with anti Manly sentiments . If 3 players are taking up 1 / 3 of the salary cap , a successful pathways system is critical to counter balance or reconcile that reality and where ever the junior players are sourced from . Not going to be determined by anyone but Josh [ Shu ] if he can lift to be a serious 6 contender and should be obvious that the best junior prospects next in line for back line positions would be Weekes and Latu Fainu who also would have to have strong claims for halfs roles . Even more doubt then of the wisdom of extending D C E until 2025 , might have been better for a Foz type arrangement with one year extension and an option thenin the club 's favour , . If the extension is 1 . 2 mil not good news all round . Just like the Broncs who are apparently doing or will be doing quite a bit of soul searching for their late season collapse , really can 't see how things should be so different with the or some of the internal arrangements or processes at Manly

 

[Shoe1]

I bet they meet before Thursday.

 

[winnyason]

Sure that it is nothing that can not be resolved although the media will milk it for all that it is worth for click bait and headline attention and ingrained in many quarters with anti Manly sentiments . If 3 players are taking up 1 / 3 of the salary cap , a successful pathways system is critical to counter balance or reconcile that reality and where ever the junior players are sourced from . Not going to be determined by anyone but Josh [ Shu ] if he can lift to be a serious 6 contender and should be obvious that the best junior prospects next in line for back line positions would be Weekes and Latu Fainu who also would have to have strong claims for halfs roles . Even more doubt then of the wisdom of extending D C E until 2025 , might have been better for a Foz type arrangement with one year extension and an option thenin the club 's favour , . If the extension is 1 . 2 mil not good news all round . Just like the Broncs who are apparently doing or will be doing quite a bit of soul searching for their late season collapse , really can 't see how things should be so different with the or some of the internal arrangements or processes at Manly

Daly contract tbh has been a failure and has held us back in recruitment. We have yo yo up and down table based on turbo and he has failed to step up when needed.

 

[PONTIAN SEA EAGLE]

Is the breaking news Silvertails forum to have a BBQ on the brookie hill???.

 

[manly al]

Daly contract tbh has been a failure and has held us back in recruitment. We have yo yo up and down table based on turbo and he has failed to step up when needed.

Would have been some consolation if he resigned for 750 k for 3 years or so from 2016 and what he did initially agree to . Might have then put some future contract values for him into some sort of perspective Understandable however with him taking the increased revised offer but an 8 year set contract , hardly ideal Manly 's way which ever way it can be analysed . . In an ideal arrangement and with maximum player capability , would so much preferable to have the likes of Schuster , Weekes and latu Fainu in a near future Manly line up . just don :t know with this one , and with 3 more years with D C E and particularly at that purported 1 . 2 mil for the 2 year extension . . .