Manly Attacking Formula ?

[maxta]

Firstly, there's so much wrong defensively, but just prefer thoughts on attack this thread.

I feel the expansive attack on early tackles from long range, is a great attribute with the likes of Saab, Koula, Turbo and more to utilise 1 of the quickest NRL back lines.
Unfortunately this same style in opposition 22m is being overcooked and predictable and there's more than just 1 reason.
It "could" still work if the defensive outsides were vacuumed inwards, before the shift....but Manly Play 1 out footy inside the opposition 22 to setup for this BIG shift "which they do well" but the lead up is of 1 out is so easily shut down, the outside defenders are very well positioned and/or have "time" to make defensive reads and close down the shift...
The better sides will play "through" the opposition with dummy halves getting out quickly from the play ball and engaging defence creating carnage centrally and also runners travel in numbers "threatening an offload" that Manly NEVER do, which then creates confusion for the wide defenders.
Also not sure if there's a worse last play team, with hopeless kicks that run dead, or bombs dropping 5-10m out....if landed better for the likes of Haumole (when playing) or Saab (who is playing) this would be as good an attacking threat as ANY across the NRL...in fact just about EVERY time these kicks are accurate, we score a try or go within a whisker.

In General, the ability to offload is a MUST in the modern game (very few), as is running with support pushing up, which Manly lack both...also the abilty to get out of dummy half , which Simpkins displayed better last night and of course a 9 who can bring his players over the advantage line to bend the line in general play, which again Simpkins has been better than other options, but I feel we have a couple of youngsters who will really excel at dummy half by 2027....hopefully earlier

Anyways just opinion and happy to hear others thoughts on the current Manly attack.

 

[The '47ers]

Well when someone who allegedly "lives and breathes Manly" on $900k, won't take a single hit up you know we're cooked.

 

[manlyfan76]

Firstly, there's so much wrong defensively, but just prefer thoughts on attack this thread.

I feel the expansive attack on early tackles from long range, is a great attribute with the likes of Saab, Koula, Turbo and more to utilise 1 of the quickest NRL back lines.
Unfortunately this same style in opposition 22m is being overcooked and predictable and there's more than just 1 reason.
It "could" still work if the defensive outsides were vacuumed inwards, before the shift....but Manly Play 1 out footy inside the opposition 22 to setup for this BIG shift "which they do well" but the lead up is of 1 out is so easily shut down, the outside defenders are very well positioned and/or have "time" to make defensive reads and close down the shift...
The better sides will play "through" the opposition with dummy halves getting out quickly from the play ball and engaging defence creating carnage centrally and also runners travel in numbers "threatening an offload" that Manly NEVER do, which then creates confusion for the wide defenders.
Also not sure if there's a worse last play team, with hopeless kicks that run dead, or bombs dropping 5-10m out....if landed better for the likes of Haumole (when playing) or Saab (who is playing) this would be as good an attacking threat as ANY across the NRL...in fact just about EVERY time these kicks are accurate, we score a try or go within a whisker.

In General, the ability to offload is a MUST in the modern game (very few), as is running with support pushing up, which Manly lack both...also the abilty to get out of dummy half , which Simpkins displayed better last night and of course a 9 who can bring his players over the advantage line to bend the line in general play, which again Simpkins has been better than other options, but I feel we have a couple of youngsters who will really excel at dummy half by 2027....hopefully earlier

Anyways just opinion and happy to hear others thoughts on the current Manly attack.

Its like they don't care.
Zero effort plays.

 

[joeboy]

Trick question? It was insipid last night

 

[sheridanstand78]

The problem with our attack is our halves don't take on the line compared to Canberra's 5/8 who scored 3 great tries, 2 of them individuall efforts. We need our halves to do that or get ones who will !!

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Is it (ƒ)#ckwit @7 = sh1t?

 

[globaleagle]

 

[maxta]

The problem with our attack is our halves don't take on the line compared to Canberra's 5/8 who scored 3 great tries, 2 of them individuall efforts. We need our halves to do that or get ones who will !!

Usually agree but brooks took em on way more and we were better for it .... problem was, not off second phase or defence compromised so closed him down ....but in general 200% fair call

 

[mickqld]

20 - 90 F/A last 3 games. Attack is as good as the defence. Both sh*t as is the clubs management, coaching, captain, senior leaders. The only ones who've tried hard the last 3 games are Koula, Garrick, Bullemore, Simpkin and TKO. The rest have been utter rubbish. The $Chaser is just a thief taking money for what he's dished up this year.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I agree, although I don't necessarily think offloads are the key; rather, moving forwards in numbers and having a 9 that can provide a threat and/or put forwards into space around the ruck, is integral to sucking defenders into the middle. The other issue is our middles are not that effective at generating ruck speed in the opposition red zone. A guy like Spencer Leniu who can skittle defenders, find his front, get up and play the ball quickly, is required. Sending a plodder like Lodge up the middle at a snail's pace to be smashed, before rising slowly, is not going to cut it.

Then, you've got to have backrowers who run good lines to create space outside; that's been a big reason for our poor attack since Olakau'atu's been out. There's very little happening on the right edge atm. The only threat is Brooks using someone on the left.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Zero creatively just side to side. So predictable.

 

[Uk eagle]

Our halves are stood still waiting for a pass from dummy half. By the time the ball gets to them they are already on the back foot. Compare to Penrith, Cleary gets the ball in front of him moving forward so gaining a couple of yards on the defence. People say how Cleary always looks like he has all the time in the world, well by comparison he does and it's because of the service he gets from either dummy half or as second receiver from Yeo.
It's been said a million times but without a decent hooker/ dummy half we won't be a challenge

 

[Status Quo]

Firstly, there's so much wrong defensively, but just prefer thoughts on attack this thread.

I feel the expansive attack on early tackles from long range, is a great attribute with the likes of Saab, Koula, Turbo and more to utilise 1 of the quickest NRL back lines.
Unfortunately this same style in opposition 22m is being overcooked and predictable and there's more than just 1 reason.
It "could" still work if the defensive outsides were vacuumed inwards, before the shift....but Manly Play 1 out footy inside the opposition 22 to setup for this BIG shift "which they do well" but the lead up is of 1 out is so easily shut down, the outside defenders are very well positioned and/or have "time" to make defensive reads and close down the shift...
The better sides will play "through" the opposition with dummy halves getting out quickly from the play ball and engaging defence creating carnage centrally and also runners travel in numbers "threatening an offload" that Manly NEVER do, which then creates confusion for the wide defenders.
Also not sure if there's a worse last play team, with hopeless kicks that run dead, or bombs dropping 5-10m out....if landed better for the likes of Haumole (when playing) or Saab (who is playing) this would be as good an attacking threat as ANY across the NRL...in fact just about EVERY time these kicks are accurate, we score a try or go within a whisker.

In General, the ability to offload is a MUST in the modern game (very few), as is running with support pushing up, which Manly lack both...also the abilty to get out of dummy half , which Simpkins displayed better last night and of course a 9 who can bring his players over the advantage line to bend the line in general play, which again Simpkins has been better than other options, but I feel we have a couple of youngsters who will really excel at dummy half by 2027....hopefully earlier

Anyways just opinion and happy to hear others thoughts on the current Manly attack.

Any player that gets tackled without passing the ball on the 4th tackle should be sacked immediately.
Any player that thinks it's clever to pass the ball back inside to a player running straight into the waiting arms of 3 defenders should be sacked immediately. Predictable insanity.
All Manly training sessions should involve the team watching video of MENZIES and LYONS, running, passing and fooling the defence.
Remember IAN MARTIN and JOHNNY GIBBS tearing up the confused defence in 1976.
Can the talent scouts please find some players like -

FB 1 Graham Eadie LW 2 Tom Mooney CE 3 Russel Gartner CE 4 Bob Fulton (c) RW 5 Rod Jackson FE 6 Alan Thompson HB 7 Gary Stephens LK 8 Ian Martin SR 9 Phil Lowe SR 10 Steve Norton PR 11 Terry Randall HK 12 Max Krilich PR 13 John Harvey Substitutions: IC 14 Gary Thoroughgood IC 17 Mark Willoughby

 

[Status Quo]

I agree, although I don't necessarily think offloads are the key; rather, moving forwards in numbers and having a 9 that can provide a threat and/or put forwards into space around the ruck, is integral to sucking defenders into the middle. The other issue is our middles are not that effective at generating ruck speed in the opposition red zone. A guy like Spencer Leniu who can skittle defenders, find his front, get up and play the ball quickly, is required. Sending a plodder like Lodge up the middle at a snail's pace to be smashed, before rising slowly, is not going to cut it.

Then, you've got to have backrowers who run good lines to create space outside; that's been a big reason for our poor attack since Olakau'atu's been out. There's very little happening on the right edge atm. The only threat is Brooks using someone on the left.

When is CROKER returning??

 

[Brookie1973]

Any player that gets tackled without passing the ball on the 4th tackle should be sacked immediately.
Any player that thinks it's clever to pass the ball back inside to a player running straight into the waiting arms of 3 defenders should be sacked immediately. Predictable insanity.
All Manly training sessions should involve the team watching video of MENZIES and LYONS, running, passing and fooling the defence.
Remember IAN MARTIN and JOHNNY GIBBS tearing up the confused defence in 1976.
Can the talent scouts please find some players like -

FB 1 Graham Eadie LW 2 Tom Mooney CE 3 Russel Gartner CE 4 Bob Fulton (c) RW 5 Rod Jackson FE 6 Alan Thompson HB 7 Gary Stephens LK 8 Ian Martin SR 9 Phil Lowe SR 10 Steve Norton PR 11 Terry Randall HK 12 Max Krilich PR 13 John Harvey Substitutions: IC 14 Gary Thoroughgood IC 17 Mark Willoughby

Unfortunately, today’s version of Rugby League bears little resemblance to the game those great players played. Today’s version is a series of formulaic, percentage based patterns that all teams use to greater or lesser effect, depending upon their ability to manage/control ruck speed through what is laughably now called defense ie hold, wrestle and peel away. In short, the greater your ability to strangle the life out of a game, the more successful you will be.

 

[Status Quo]

20 - 90 F/A last 3 games. Attack is as good as the defence. Both sh*t as is the clubs management, coaching, captain, senior leaders. The only ones who've tried hard the last 3 games are Koula, Garrick, Bullemore, Simpkin and TKO. The rest have been utter rubbish. The $Chaser is just a thief taking money for what he's dished up this year.

I totally agree with your choice of Koula, Garrick, Bullemore, Simpkin.
I think there are a few others giving 101% that go unnoticed, I'd like to hear other people's choice of players.

I feel that DCE has already left the Club. He's missing a lot of crucial tackles.
DCE is leaving of his own volition, he's not being coerced or manipulated.

Whereas, in 1989 it all came apart, when Manly CEO Doug Daley told Vautin - at a time when he was the incumbent vice-captain of the Kangaroos - that instead of renewing his contract at $95,000 a year, the best they could do was $50,000. It was the sort of offer a CEO makes when he wants quit of a player without sacking him outright, and so it transpired in Daley's office one leaden afternoon when the offer was made:

Vautin: "You're kidding! I can't play for that!"

Daley: "Are you saying you won't play any more?"

Vautin: "Yes."

Vautin drove home, told wife Kim that "it's all over", and cried his eyes out for the only time in his entire adulthood.

Disgraceful and disgusting treatment of Vautin and Fulton, forcing them to play for another Club.
To add insult to injury they went to the Roarters.

Have we heard an acceptable reason from DCE as to why he is leaving Manly?

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[Status Quo]

Unfortunately, today’s version of Rugby League bears little resemblance to the game those great players played. Today’s version is a series of formulaic, percentage based patterns that all teams use to greater or lesser effect, depending upon their ability to manage/control ruck speed through what is laughably now called defense ie hold, wrestle and peel away. In short, the greater your ability to strangle the life out of a game, the more successful you will be.

There needs to be an investigation!!!

 

[StuBoot]

Our much maligned attacking formula especially in the red zone surely has to be attributed to the coaching staff.
First grade players are paid to carry out said plans in the main, especially the halves.
Surely DCE & Brooks try to carry out those plans....so whose to blame?

 

[CRPSI eagle]

When is CROKER returning??

2022

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

^^^I do not think Fulton was treated disgracefully in 1976.

He approached Arthurson to tell Arko what Easts were offering.

Arthurson told him “Sorry Bob, you should take the Easts’ offer, because I cannot (or will not) match it” - or words to that effect. There were no hard feelings between the two.*

Arthurson has always claimed that he did not want to contribute to an inflationary trend in player payments at the time.

*Somewhat different to what happened with Daley and Vautin.