Just on Tom Wright

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  1. XV-1

    By:XV-1Oct 25, 2018
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    What a pity Tom Wright is still not at Manly now that Desie has signed.

    Des would make Tom an established first grader.
     
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    • yokahontas

      By:yokahontasOct 26, 2018
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      Mate, correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re a bouncer, right?

      No disrespect to anyone in the security industry, but the kind of win/loss @anthonyb1965 was referring to just isn’t even a thing in that arena. I’m sure there are plenty of lawyers, doctors etc out there who have also had to wear high-stakes ‘losses’ throughout their careers; doesn’t make them failures or underachievers - that was a low, and unwarranted, blow on your part. I’ve experienced the same ebbs and flows professionally - doesn’t make me any less good at my job, or respected in my profession.

      Same with sport - I’ve lost big fights, I’ve also won big fights. As a coach said to me the day I narrowly missed a medal at World Champs earlier this year - “some days you win, some days you learn”. I wouldn’t call any of the people who went home from Worlds without any bling (this time) a ‘loser’ or ‘underachiever’. That’s a bloody unrealistic attitude to have.
       
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      • Woodsie

        By:WoodsieOct 26, 2018
        played strong, done good.

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        ........ "He scoffs at scars who never felt a wound" .......
         
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          The reality is that I have never been sacked or quit and walked away from adversity in my time as a bouncer .
           
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          You are right, sometimes we win , sometimes we lose and some guys keep bouncing up from adversity and keep moving forward and some guys quit
          Thats the difference
           
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          By:Shoe1Oct 26, 2018
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          Nice quote
           
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          • HoldenV8

            By:HoldenV8Oct 26, 2018
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            If we were totally honest about this, there is no way DCE would have been selected for Origin or the Kangaroos this year because of Barrett's coaching.

            Cronk and Thurston had retired from rep footy, Ben Hunt had again proved that he can't handle big game pressure, and both Morgan and Ponga were out injured. The only options Qld had left to try and win Game 3 and save face were either DCE or Corey Norman who was so far out of form it wasn't funny.

            Cherry was their only realistic option. If they wanted to win then they had no choice but to pick him. They had no one else who could come close to doing the job they wanted.

            And to his credit, Cherry grabbed the game with both hands and put in what most think was the true Man of the Match performance, leading Qld to a face saving win. And it was primarily that game, Meninga said so publicly, that kept him in the frame for the end of season tests, also greatly helped by Morgan and Ponga still being injured, Maloney as well, and Muster ruling himself out (no idea why Cleary wasn't considered).

            As much as DCE never deserved to be dropped from the Qld and Australian sides in the first place and I think he should have been there all along, the reality is that if others had been available this year he would still be blackballed from Qld and that likely would have killed his chances at getting his test jumper back, even if Mal did pick him for the PM's XIII

            For all intents and purposes, DCE was lucky this year to get his rep jumpers back. Well done to him for playing as well as he did in those games because I think he was his teams best player in all 3 games, but the reality is that he was lucky to even be there
             
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            • StuBoot

              By:StuBootOct 26, 2018
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              Nothing personal here but in my experience bouncers don't walk away from adversity they generally call more bouncers!:call:
               
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              • BOZO

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                Yes feathered friend , we all work as a team and always have each others back . We never leave each other in the lurch .
                 
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                  By:Smokin JoeOct 27, 2018
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                  Big statement to make,seeing as we will never know.....I wait with baited breath for the Tony Williams signing and how he will be our next big thing.....
                   
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                    That was the point you’re missing - @anthonyb1965 didn’t mention being sacked or quitting, he was talking about the wins and losses within your profession - like, spending weeks or months preparing a tender, or a court case, or treating a patient, only to lose the bid, the case, or the patient. Some industries don’t have a correlation with that, and it’s obvious from some of your posts that you plain don’t get it. You don’t judge someone’s whole career on the incremental wins/losses, you have to look at the big picture.
                     
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                    • Woodsie

                      By:WoodsieOct 27, 2018
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                      I agree 100% ..... just as I also assert that any drop in DCE's form is also not a product of Barrett's coaching ..... which was my original point .....
                       
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                      Sorry the evidence is simply not there. He scored a fantastic try against StMerge last year & that was about it. His defence was not up to first grade standard.
                       
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                        You also missed my point . I was talking about Trent Barrett being a failure as a head coach at Manly and a quitter and a loser .
                        Trent's head coaching career so far is judged BY the way he handled adversity and the way he under achieved with the over all quality of his team . That's the big picture Trent has painted on his career role as a head coach in many Manly supporters eyes and some may colour his picture as much as they like .
                        Thank you for your view .
                         
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                        • Bearfax

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                          His defence in first grade was not a problem if you looked at the games he played. It was because the outside backs had a major off day (that's where the defence flaws appeared) and Wright as scape goated because the backline lost its way
                           
                        • Clay

                          By:ClayOct 27, 2018
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                          Times have changed on here since he left, there was a time I would get blasted for saying he wasn't ready.
                           
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                          He was still developing Clay. But Barrett showed no confidence in him and from the start of the year indicated he was to be a centre not five eighth. What happened then? He played mainly 5/8 in the Reggie's and occasionally full back. He got a chance against St George in the centre and played a good game, scoring a top try, but the ball kept going to opposite side of the field. In his second opportunity he was 5/8, and struggled, but then the entire team were off their game. Those suggesting his defence let them down, should note he only missed 2 tackles all game while Parker and Suli missed 5 each, Kelly four and even DCE a couple. But Wright was scapegoated. No one else was dropped, even though several played far worse than him. And quite frankly he was a better option than Croker, who Barrett must have been in love with.

                          The problem as I saw it was Barrett didn't know how to use him. The sensible thing surely would have been to, like many suggested and many players have entered firsts in the same way, was to bring him into firsts on the wing. They needed pace and a bit of attacking skill, but Barrett would not let go of two of the slowest backs there in Wright and Parker, game after game. For the life of me I felt like phoning him up and saying, 'bl..dy well get the kid on the wing Trent. We need speed'. I know Wright was taking time developing in the game (started much later in the game than the rest) but he was very poorly used. But then this is the same coach who wouldn't play Hastings, a situation that only harmed Manly because Hastings was still paid and now is starring in England. It was a bad judgement call in my opinion.
                           
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                            With all due respect mate. I'm not the biggest fan of DCE the person, but he still is a premier half, the incumbent QLD and Australian halfback. Hard to top that
                             
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                            Cronk and Thurston are game managers and organisers. Cherry is the running type half. So the combinations or changes in halves aren't really comparable in my opinion. Mainly because cherry needs to adapt to the half coming in and his style of play where as a cronk or Thurston in the team it's the other half that evolves their game around their style of play. Just my opinion
                             
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                              I'm a massive DCE supporter and of course he's a top shelf Half. My point however is that Barrett didn't make him that player and if anything his game has suffered under TB. Had he followed the upward trajectory he was on back in 2011 to 2014 then he could have been anything. TB and his coaching has badly affected DCE up yo this point.
                               
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