Joey Walsh

[LeonardCohen]

Well leo, I'm just chatting with what everybody is going on about. I've never said he's good enough get it right mate, I SAID IF HE IS GOOD ENOUGH HE'S OLD ENOUGH. I've never seen him play. everyone's talking him up not me, all I know is what I read on here and sick of it. I'm just challenging everyone else who talk him up and Walsh himself to GYM up be ready if he's good enough and want it bad enough. And if he is great for us fingers cross so chilled out mateee, if he is not get rid of this post. 8K views 138 replied including U leo so chilled da F#@%KK OUT.

If you’ve heard any of my music, you’ll know I’m super chill, but also don’t suffer fools lightly 😂

 

[double hoops]

You mean like Humphries?

Spoony refused to pick him, even going to the extreme of picking Talau against Souths.
He has proven at Souths, Spoony was completely wrong about him.

Are you talking about that one time Humphries missed out? That kind of supports that he hadn't been ready or going good enough doesn't it?

Yeah the coach picked an experienced NRL player in Brooks that one time, over an untested rookie in JH...considering that job is to steer the team at halfback... Pretty standard selection I'm thinking.

And then, Tommy Talau form in the outside backs last year was red hot at times. So yeah an experienced NRL player going well. Just so happens to have played most of his junior footy at 5/8. Who knew? So a choice between two blokes who both have looked ok in the halves in lower grades. One had years of experience of NRL experience playing out wider on the field since, and has been carving up and NRL in recent weeks. The rookie just has recentcey in the halves on his side.

Were we all more shocked Tommy 2 lau is actually an experienced ball player?

Id suggest that the amount of inexperience in the Manly squad that game more generally, probably was the greatest factor on why Tommy 2 got the nod.

Individually was JH head still spinning that week, a young bloke having just finished weighing up offers and deciding an easier path to first grade may waist elsewhere.

Seibs then goes on an selected JH on a couple of occasions after that handing him the keys to run the side when DCE was out.
So can it really be said Seibs refused to pick him?
Are you forgetting about some bloke called DCE.

Your not seriously suggesting JH form last year was better than the bloke both origin and Australian selectors still found to be one of the top 2 half's in the country.

Should JH have been blooded off the bench at hooker? Seibs clearly wanted to go down that path, He's the man that changed JH position from half to hooker in the Juniors, to do just that.

So why has Jackie had the bench experience, and not JH? FORM, was JH clearly not out playing Jackie?.

If your clearly not the games best player, than last year he hadn't been playing well enough to be dethroning DCE. If your FORM doesn't clearly have you in front of Jackie for a run at 9, or Infront of Brooks or Talau in the halves, Your clearly not the games best player.

Call it how it was. Seibs played him at 7 when he was the best option at 7, in games where there was more experience around him. So he wasn't being set up to fail.

So just like how Seibs went with Lehi, showed he's not afraid to blood a young kid, even in controlling positions in the spine. But you don't just get gifted your spot, you earn it, you'll be the best option that week, and you'll actually be ready, ready to do yourself proud.

I understand being disappointed the kid chose to go to Souths.

But I find it difficult to criticise Seibs performance in developing and blooding these kids. If they all start like Lehi and JH in first grade at such young ages. Our coach is ****ting all over plenty of other coaches in the NRL.

 

[Disco]

You mean like Humphries?

Spoony refused to pick him, even going to the extreme of picking Talau against Souths.
He has proven at Souths, Spoony was completely wrong about him.

Has he?

 

[Lyonstomenzies]

In 1982, Phil Blake got his first grade debut at 18 & for the next 2 years was nearly unstoppable.
Are we too overprotective in this modern era?

Geoff Toovey says hello.

 

[nightster]

The club isn't holding him back because he is 18. He has spent the last few seasons playing rugby only. He is just not ready.

But I do agree we are a bit too overprotective these days but with respect to Walsh he is not at a Blake or Toovey standard.

Its not necessarily Walsh but we have guys like Sykes, in his mid/late 20's who hasn't had a crack yet and Navale took a fair while, it seems that Manly is slow to blood our young up and comers and we have been for awhile, not just under Siebs - Humphries is an example

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Its not necessarily Walsh but we have guys like Sykes, in his mid/late 20's who hasn't had a crack yet and Navale took a fair while, it seems that Manly is slow to blood our young up and comers and we have been for awhile, not just under Siebs - Humphries is an example

I see it differently. Mostly, we have not had youngsters good enough to bash the door down for selection.

The young players who have come through are Koula, Haumole, Paseka, and now Lehi. Gordie has had chances and has so far failed to demand a regular spot.

There was uproar here a couple of years ago about guys like A Hoppa and Weekes not being picked "to see how they'd go". Yet when eventually picked they didn't light up the stage.

It's almost as though the professional coaches that work with them day in day out actually know what level they're at (!) Fans of 'Schu to 5/8', Tom Wright and now the Hump are entiteld to their opinions of courses.

Navale I reckon is being brought through carefully and I expect him to be a regular in our 17 by year's end (and excelling).

 

[Tragic Eagle]

its a lot more complicated than age. It's about maturity, mental fortitude and having the physical statute and or the skill set to survive amongst the game's biggest and best. First grade NRL is a tough game played at a high level week in and week out. Only a small number of youngsters can manage that that at age 18 or 19. Having said that I am surprised that we didn't give Humphrey's a better shot as in my view he would have a good 14 to give Croker a rest especially after he built himself up in the gym.

 

[manly al]

Are you talking about that one time Humphries missed out? That kind of supports that he hadn't been ready or going good enough doesn't it?

Yeah the coach picked an experienced NRL player in Brooks that one time, over an untested rookie in JH...considering that job is to steer the team at halfback... Pretty standard selection I'm thinking.

And then, Tommy Talau form in the outside backs last year was red hot at times. So yeah an experienced NRL player going well. Just so happens to have played most of his junior footy at 5/8. Who knew? So a choice between two blokes who both have looked ok in the halves in lower grades. One had years of experience of NRL experience playing out wider on the field since, and has been carving up and NRL in recent weeks. The rookie just has recentcey in the halves on his side.

Were we all more shocked Tommy 2 lau is actually an experienced ball player?

Id suggest that the amount of inexperience in the Manly squad that game more generally, probably was the greatest factor on why Tommy 2 got the nod.

Individually was JH head still spinning that week, a young bloke having just finished weighing up offers and deciding an easier path to first grade may waist elsewhere.

Seibs then goes on an selected JH on a couple of occasions after that handing him the keys to run the side when DCE was out.
So can it really be said Seibs refused to pick him?
Are you forgetting about some bloke called DCE.

Your not seriously suggesting JH form last year was better than the bloke both origin and Australian selectors still found to be one of the top 2 half's in the country.

Should JH have been blooded off the bench at hooker? Seibs clearly wanted to go down that path, He's the man that changed JH position from half to hooker in the Juniors, to do just that.

So why has Jackie had the bench experience, and not JH? FORM, was JH clearly not out playing Jackie?.

If your clearly not the games best player, than last year he hadn't been playing well enough to be dethroning DCE. If your FORM doesn't clearly have you in front of Jackie for a run at 9, or Infront of Brooks or Talau in the halves, Your clearly not the games best player.

Call it how it was. Seibs played him at 7 when he was the best option at 7, in games where there was more experience around him. So he wasn't being set up to fail.

So just like how Seibs went with Lehi, showed he's not afraid to blood a young kid, even in controlling positions in the spine. But you don't just get gifted your spot, you earn it, you'll be the best option that week, and you'll actually be ready, ready to do yourself proud.

I understand being disappointed the kid chose to go to Souths.

But I find it difficult to criticise Seibs performance in developing and blooding these kids. If they all start like Lehi and JH in first grade at such young ages. Our coach is ****ting all over plenty of other coaches in the NRL.

Think there was more conjecture in the half 's selections in that night game against Souths in picking Karl Lawton initially as the 7 and not so much Talau as the 6
Then not including Humphrys even on the bench if things did not work out .
Could see the reasoning in having Talau in a 6 role to try to counter act Wighton on the night but while not necessarily changing the result , maybe not the best choice not including Humphrys

 

[silvereagle]

Part of the problem today around some young kids coming through the ranks is the enormous impact of social media in forming opinions. The myriad of promotional videos and glossy commentary usually start when the kid is playing in the lower grades and of course assume same standard of play (and opposition) will apply to the higher grades. Big assumption there that more times than not is totally off the mark. Hype and expectation way ahead of reality and capability at for example an NRL level. There are exceptions of course but you can count them on one hand over the years. I would always side with the coach and coaching staff opinions here as they see the kid everyday and understand the differences between a Jersey Flegg game and an NRL game.

 

[manly al]

Not too sure what the situation is going to be if Walsh can really hit his straps and show he is N R L ready into next season
Still obviously have Brooks until 27 and into Fogarty 's 2 nd year .
Walsh a free agent at the end of next season .
Nothing has really changed it being a catch 22 predicament . need an established 7 in the short term but still the distinct possibility that Walsh could be well up to it in the not too distant future and set for a long N R L career and as good as his potential may seem to indicate .
But understandable a short term requirement right now , not even sure if Walsh can be a better standard 7 then J H. but the distinct possibility that he could
Anyway club will just have to come to terms with whatever situation may eventually arise

 

[Eagledare2dream]

If you’ve heard any of my music, you’ll know I’m super chill, but also don’t suffer fools lightly 😂

Yeah good on yaa ##@$#%#

 

[Sea Eagle 4 Life]

Geoff Toovey says hello.

Toovey debuted in 1988.
I did say the modern era.

 

[lsz]

Part of the problem today around some young kids coming through the ranks is the enormous impact of social media in forming opinions. The myriad of promotional videos and glossy commentary usually start when the kid is playing in the lower grades and of course assume same standard of play (and opposition) will apply to the higher grades. Big assumption there that more times than not is totally off the mark. Hype and expectation way ahead of reality and capability at for example an NRL level. There are exceptions of course but you can count them on one hand over the years. I would always side with the coach and coaching staff opinions here as they see the kid everyday and understand the differences between a Jersey Flegg game and an NRL game.

To be fair if you dug around the internet I am sure you could still find that Aaron Groom video which had more than one of us excited about him playing first grade

 

[manlyfan76]

I remember people on here defending Des for not playing Haumole.

 

[BOZO]

I remember people on here defending Des for not playing Haumole.

Every one has their own perspective with which player is NRL ready
I was not one of those that was defending Des
I thought Haumole had the power and the ability to Play NRL
Des Persisting with Players like Parker and Harper did my head in

The Moral of the story
You cant please everyone
and not every one defended Des
The Great Des Second coming at Manly was not that Great
Look at the way the Titans are going
The Once Great Des is now Done . His time is up . Every ones Great Time eventually comes to an end .

 

[BOZO]

If he's good enough he's old enough

Daley, Fittler, Kimmorley, Mullen, Cleary, Hayne, Pearce etcs were still in school when they started.
no excuses.

Perspective time for if your Good Enough you are Old enough

In the Australia Army the Minimum age for Life and Death Battle is 18 years of Age
These young Men are capable of surviving Bullets and All Brutal Hit Ups that comes their way

Young Ladies are playing League Now
But we are Protecting Young Men ?
Go Figure ???

 

[Nambawan]

Every one has their own perspective with which player is NRL ready
I was not one of those that was defending Des
I thought Haumole had the power and the ability to Play NRL
Des Persisting with Players like Parker and Harper did my head in

The Moral of the story
You cant please everyone
and not every one defended Des
The Great Des Second coming at Manly was not that Great
Look at the way the Titans are going
The Once Great Des is now Done . His time is up . Every ones Great Time eventually comes to an end .

As I recall Hasler actually held Olakau-atu back in favour of Waddell.