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Jamie Lyon Goal Kicking

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Technical Coach, Apr 20, 2014.

  1. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

    +1,135 /80
    Jamie really has some technical flaws in his goal kicking that need to be addressed.

    First off the overly simplistic suggestion of "keeping your head down" is not about keeping your eye on the ball.
    Keeping your head locked down and chin tucked in compresses the upper body and shoulders into the mid section which promotes a more steady core during impact---you must try and hold this position as long as possible before during and after impact.

    What this does is reduces the amount of natural body movement moving away from the ball and keeps your momentum moving forward during the swing arc and follow through.

    It is very noticeable on kicks out wide that Jamie plants his lead foot too far to the left of the ball which increases the amount his body is already fading away from the strike zone forcing his kicks to the left more often than not.

    The better kickers tend to have a controlled draw due to planting their lead foot closer to the ball with more upper and mid body compression over the ball at impact---the swing arc coming from a more tighter in angle.

    Not all good kickers have a draw or they might have a slight draw some are dead straight but as long as you keep good compression during impact you will improve accuracy.

    During my high school years i studied Ridge, Halligan and Taylor--- just for fun in my spare time i would practice goal kicking and take note of the changes of ball direction.

    After two weeks i was kicking around 80% from all angles within a 35m zone, yeah i know easy to do under no pressure but we are looking at the structure of a swing not a players mental state for improvements.
  2. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

    +494 /0
    TC does this include injury?

    I'm thinking Killa is carrying an injury
  3. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

    +1,135 /80
    Lyon is a reluctant kicker so i don't mean to be hard on him but it is noticeable when we really need a kick to go over he stays down over the ball a little longer during impact---(never been perfect in this regard though) just seems under pressure he is concentrating more on technique.
  4. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +5,794 /186
    How has he got this far in his career with obvious faults in his goal kicking.

    He is probably now so old he cannot see the goal posts without his glasses on
  5. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +5,250 /109
    His kicking is very ordinary and has already cost us one game. Unfortunately the only alternative is DCE who can't kick goals with this leg injury. Matai is the other but don't think his % would be much better than Jamie.
  6. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

    +494 /0
    I thinking he's been carrying an injury for the past couple of seasons hence why I asked.

    Kicked well for St Helens
  7. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,032 /174
    He kicks worse than Orford did. No really he has a worse % than Orford did.
  8. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,579 /80
    You would think that these days they would have a specialist coach for this. I'm surprised there has been no marked improvement in him over the last 3 or 4 years. He must work on it at least a couple sessions a week.

    Look at how valuable hodko's kicking has been for the dogs the last 3 weeks. Has got them into a position to win all 3 games. Hopefully it won't cost us a big match.
  9. Terry-Randal

    Terry-Randal Active Member

    +45 /0
    Manly and the Storm have been the dominant teams last decade and both have poor goal kickers. This shows having good players is more important than having specialists kickers .
  10. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

    +1,135 /80
    It will be more important this year and coming years as the comp evens up on top of Manly and Melb coming back to the pack due to obvious reasons wink wink.
  11. wedgetail eagle

    wedgetail eagle Well-Known Member Premium Member

    +2,151 /11
    True. I recall Hodkinson kicking us to a victory 26-25 against Souths with field goals back in June 2010.
  12. The Insomniac

    The Insomniac Active Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +129 /6
    It would help Jamie's cause if he took more care in lining up his kicks in line where they are actually scored. I'be noted a number of times, particularly with sideline conversions that he actually cheats himself by sometimes up to a metre. George's try on Friday is a good example. It was scored about 1.5 metre in and Jamie took it from right on the touch line. Why make kicks harder??? Thurston is the opposite. He always gushes a metre or 2. Surprised Thurston gets away with it actually.
  13. RiverEagle

    RiverEagle New Member

    +1,055 /0
    Yeah Hodkinson has matured into a very solid number 7, and invaluable kicker. He's the best out there right now as evidenced by virtually winning the Dogs last 3 games for them.

    One wonders " what if " had he stayed at Manly;
    and hopefully Killer's kicking doesn't cost us at the worst possible time.
  14. driftout

    driftout Active Member

    +97 /0
    I think you'll find that Lyon's success rate increases to around 80 per cent in finals matches.
  15. StuBoot

    StuBoot Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +1,065 /9
    Harsh markers people. Lyon missed two from the sideline, Its not like he's missed any sitters. If he missed goals like Feldt and Thurston did and did it regularly then you may have an issue.
    Looking at raw %'s doesn't tell the full story, Wolf and Jorge scored 40 tries last year and I'd say 30 of them were within 10 metres of the sideline so that would affect his overall success rate.
    Very rarely does he have a shocker which costs us the game, some games he can't miss and some games he's human.
  16. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +10,544 /214
    The solution is simple, just devise tactics so the tries are scored near the posts not out wide. Shouldn't be too difficult? Over to you, TC!
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    • HappilyManly

      HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

      +19,025 /367
      Watching the other games this week, most goal kickers kicked them from the sidelines without a problem. :cool:

      Killer needs to have an understudy, as Matai is also at the 'senior' end of his career.

      Speaking of whom, knowing that Matai kicks like a horse, why doesn't he do the goal line drop outs :huh: Friday night, with a damaged back, he still managed to tap it 60 meters over the deadball line :s
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      • sheridanstand78

        sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

        +4,863 /73
        Goal kicking is all about the follow through, it seems that Killer sometimes struggles to get the power to make the target.

        We also seem to score a lot of trys out wide, note to the team run closer to the posts lol.

        Killer though has consistently produced the goods in the games that really count and hes been an inspiration to the team for many years now. Our best buy with BK over the last 20 years.
      • Technical Coach

        Technical Coach Well-Known Member

        +1,135 /80
        I would be without a job if the solution is simple(I admit it is for the illuminated few) so I guess I will need to return to the work force since my technical presence is no longer required.
        A good follow through is what happens if the technique beforehand is technically sound, killer can kick long but gets poor contact on the ball especially out wide.
      • MadMarcus

        MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2017 Tipping Competitor

        +8,378 /74
        I can tell you "what if"... DCE would be at the Dogs and we wouldn't have won the 2011 comp.

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