Jamal Fogarty

[The Who]

1. Hopoate
2. Saab
3. Garrick
4. Koula

6. Large
7. Walsh

9. Muagututia

11. Ola'akautu
12. Trbojevic
13. Navale
14. A.Large
15. Dunford
16. Paseka
17. Laiafi

TT2, wherever he is.

 

[LeonardCohen]

He is definitely not the player DCE is but they have completely different styles and also pay brackets. Us signing Fogarty allows us to spend in other needed areas which in turn could make us more competitive overall.
I’m all for it

See I don’t think it does. It seems that the DCE offer of 750k is the money we have available. If we are going to get Fogerty for somewhere near that figure, we aren’t going to have the reserve to buy elsewhere. That’s what is so disappointing about the entire sordid affair. We needed DCE to repay the club so we could have an elite 7 for a fraction of the price. He wouldn’t go for it. So we’ll be stuck with an inferior 7 for the same fraction of a price we tempted DCE with. It’s lose-lose.

I also think any notion that we’ll get Fogerty cheap is wide of the mark. The only thing that’s going to tempt him away from Canberra is a better deal and job security. Chances are he’ll want a three year deal around 700k to up and move his family.

 

[double hoops]

See I don’t think it does. It seems that the DCE offer of 750k is the money we have available. If we are going to get Fogerty for somewhere near that figure, we aren’t going to have the reserve to buy elsewhere. That’s what is so disappointing about the entire sordid affair. We needed DCE to repay the club so we could have an elite 7 for a fraction of the price. He wouldn’t go for it. So we’ll be stuck with an inferior 7 for the same fraction of a price we tempted DCE with. It’s lose-lose.

I also think any notion that we’ll get Fogerty cheap is wide of the mark. The only thing that’s going to tempt him away from Canberra is a better deal and job security. Chances are he’ll want a three year deal around 700k to up and move his family.

If you want to spend 750k else where. Just give a less pricely half a go. Arthur / Wakeham would jump at the chance.

 

[Pete W]

See I don’t think it does. It seems that the DCE offer of 750k is the money we have available. If we are going to get Fogerty for somewhere near that figure, we aren’t going to have the reserve to buy elsewhere. That’s what is so disappointing about the entire sordid affair. We needed DCE to repay the club so we could have an elite 7 for a fraction of the price. He wouldn’t go for it. So we’ll be stuck with an inferior 7 for the same fraction of a price we tempted DCE with. It’s lose-lose.

I also think any notion that we’ll get Fogerty cheap is wide of the mark. The only thing that’s going to tempt him away from Canberra is a better deal and job security. Chances are he’ll want a three year deal around 700k to up and move his family.

This is why I feel we should be looking internally, and using these funds to strengthen our forwards.

We might struggle next year as a result, but at least we can balance our squad better, for a net positive gain (as DCE was retiring soon anyway).

I'm sure between Turbo, Hopoate, Arthur etc alongside Brooks, we can be competitive for 2026, whilst also having a stronger pack if we can grab 1-2 elite forwards (there will also be a few older middles who most likely won't be re-signed)

 

[lsz]

It appears there's some confusion around Jamal Fogarty’s contract situation.

1. Club Option: The Raiders have an option in their favour, which they must activate by Round 6. It's been reported that this clause is worth around $650K. However, Ricky Stuart has publicly said Jamal should “take care of his family” and consider a two-year deal with Manly — a clear indication the Raiders don’t plan to activate the clause. That’s pretty convenient timing, especially given the young halves coming through the system... which brings us to the next point.
2. Player Option: Fogarty also has a player option he can trigger by Round 20. While the exact value hasn’t been confirmed, it's been reported as “significantly less” than the club’s $650K option.

So what does this all mean?
The $650K figure getting thrown around is basically irrelevant he hasn’t been offered that by Canberra. And honestly, where the $750K valuation is coming from is anyone’s guess.

 

[Hertera]

I'm not that fussed with the money we offer him I'm more interested in the term of the deal. I fear we offer him a 3 year deal when Walsh or Large or both should be ready before that.
Time to back some youth.

 

[Nordburg]

It appears there's some confusion around Jamal Fogarty’s contract situation.

1. Club Option: The Raiders have an option in their favour, which they must activate by Round 6. It's been reported that this clause is worth around $650K. However, Ricky Stuart has publicly said Jamal should “take care of his family” and consider a two-year deal with Manly — a clear indication the Raiders don’t plan to activate the clause. That’s pretty convenient timing, especially given the young halves coming through the system... which brings us to the next point.
2. Player Option: Fogarty also has a player option he can trigger by Round 20. While the exact value hasn’t been confirmed, it's been reported as “significantly less” than the club’s $650K option.

So what does this all mean?
The $650K figure getting thrown around is basically irrelevant he hasn’t been offered that by Canberra. And honestly, where the $750K valuation is coming from is anyone’s guess.

That’s right.So for argument sake’s,if the Raiders say they’re not going to offer him $650K,Manly could in all intents and purposes,could offer that figure and nothing more.If the Raiders do offer that,then Manly can just walk away.

 

[LeonardCohen]

It appears there's some confusion around Jamal Fogarty’s contract situation.

1. Club Option: The Raiders have an option in their favour, which they must activate by Round 6. It's been reported that this clause is worth around $650K. However, Ricky Stuart has publicly said Jamal should “take care of his family” and consider a two-year deal with Manly — a clear indication the Raiders don’t plan to activate the clause. That’s pretty convenient timing, especially given the young halves coming through the system... which brings us to the next point.
2. Player Option: Fogarty also has a player option he can trigger by Round 20. While the exact value hasn’t been confirmed, it's been reported as “significantly less” than the club’s $650K option.

So what does this all mean?
The $650K figure getting thrown around is basically irrelevant he hasn’t been offered that by Canberra. And honestly, where the $750K valuation is coming from is anyone’s guess.

The 750k was a guess and was disclosed as such - ‘chances are’ and ‘I also think’ indicate as much.

I also wouldn’t call a 650k figure irrelevant given there’s a contract sitting there with an option in Canberra’s favour for that very same figure. It may or may not getting taken up but it certainly gives a ballpark figure of his market value wouldn’t you think?

Fair enough if you’re calling out incorrect facts but it’s pretty clear that it’s hypotheticals and an interesting discussion for some of us.

 

[The better Robbo]

One thing I think people are overlooking is the fact that Brooks is only signed for the 2027 season. If Fogarty wants 3 years or we give him 3 years, we can still bring Walsh and Large in for season 2028. Walsh could effectively come in for Brooks instead of Fogarty. Realistically we don't want to have Fogarty or whoever we sign and Brooks off contract at the same time anyway. We need to ease Walsh and Large in a year apart. I'm still not confident Large is a 5/8 anyway. I personally believe Fogarty at 650k is a bargain buy.

 

[The better Robbo]

I honestly think Brooks and Large could, and if Large develops well he could be ready by next year.

Large is a great of a talent. He looks as talented as any young kid we've had come through in the last 20 years. However, it's a massive ask for a kid to come in and be a play maker in the NRL consistently week in, week out. Ask Schuster 😂 he's only turning 18 this year isn't he?

 

[HoldenV8]

He is definitely not the player DCE is but they have completely different styles and also pay brackets. Us signing Fogarty allows us to spend in other needed areas which in turn could make us more competitive overall.
I’m all for it

Yep, that's true too. The true blessing in all of this is that we won't have that $1.3m per season noose on the salary cap. As good as DCE has been, his contract has been a huge burden on the make up of the squads over the past decade.

 

[eaglebuzz]

Large is a great of a talent. He looks as talented as any young kid we've had come through in the last 20 years. However, it's a massive ask for a kid to come in and be a play maker in the NRL consistently week in, week out. Ask Schuster 😂 he's only turning 18 this year isn't he?

Yes, I'd only want to see it happen if he was ready.

 

[BOZO]

Is this the same Mitchell Moses that the Eels immediately tried to offload by the end of 2018, to keep Corey Norman of all players? Hardly a world-beater then. That's who Brooks had as his only foil for many years; a spoon-winning half, who was told to leave by the garbage 2018 Eels!

Moses was not the player he is today.

Thanks for your opinion feathered friend .
Today Moses is worth over a million dollars a season
and Brooks could only manage 650k .

 

[Rosko]

If you want to spend 750k else where. Just give a less pricely half a go. Arthur / Wakeham would jump at the chance.

Gawd help us.

 

[lsz]

The 750k was a guess and was disclosed as such - ‘chances are’ and ‘I also think’ indicate as much.

I also wouldn’t call a 650k figure irrelevant given there’s a contract sitting there with an option in Canberra’s favour for that very same figure. It may or may not getting taken up but it certainly gives a ballpark figure of his market value wouldn’t you think?

Fair enough if you’re calling out incorrect facts but it’s pretty clear that it’s hypotheticals and an interesting discussion for some of us.

Well considering it is not being taken up it is only showing that is not his value

 

[Smokin Joe]

I'm not sure DCE would have ever led us to another Premiership. But I'm damn sure Fogarty won't.

Oh he is a good player. I'm not going to say any different. He wouldn't be in the NRL if he couldn't play. But for mine he's not the answer to taking Manly to its next Premiership win.

Fogarty may not lead us to a premiership,but why is it imperative that he does and it rests on his shoulders?
It is a team game and if he plays a role like all players do and we place other players around him and have a game plan then a premiership is possible.
Reynolds has not led the Broncos to a premiership,Hughes at the Storm plays a role but does not carry that side on his shoulders throughout the season,even though he has an important role.

 

[BOZO]

Ricky was quoted as saying to Jamal to do what is best for his family and take the highest offer and wont stand in his way but also said he would like to keep him .
Jamal respectfully knows were he stands . The Raiders CEO wont be ringing NRL fox on live TV to make any later offers to Jamal .
The Raiders have a plan B . They have up and coming halves with the potential that Ricky believes are a good Investment .

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Fogarty may not lead us to a premiership,but why is it imperative that he does and it rests on his shoulders?
It is a team game and if he plays a role like all players do and we place other players around him and have a game plan then a premiership is possible.
Reynolds has not led the Broncos to a premiership,Hughes at the Storm plays a role but does not carry that side on his shoulders throughout the season,even though he has an important role.

History says to actually win the grand final you need an elite halfback, but bear in mind those elite halves have been surrounded by quality across the park.
Basically you need a half to be a very good player but don't need them to be one of the top 2 or 3 in the game. You have to go back 20 years to find Shane Perry, the exception that proves the rule, and true, most premiership winning halfbacks have played either Tests or SOO.
But The Chad didn't and neither did our own Matty Orford, but probably he was a bit unlucky. Reynolds only ever played 2 SOO games. Excellent player though.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Well considering it is not being taken up it is only showing that is not his value

you don’t know it’s not being taken up; they have until round 6. Ricky was also on TV last week and said he wants Fogerty at the club but if he has a better offer somewhere else for his future and his family, he needs to take it. That suggests they could take up the option but don’t want to block him from the security of additional years on his contract. Now, an article has come out yesterday suggesting he’s set to re-sign at the Raiders - you don’t know that it doesn’t include additional years to keep him from taking up the Manly offer. It’s pretty common for clubs to renegotiate upgrades to keep players happy and secure; it happens all the time.

It seems you want to point the finger at conjecture and a lack of facts, (even though no one claimed them to be facts) whilst simultaneously dealing in conjecture yourself.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

you don’t know it’s not being taken up; they have until round 6. Ricky was also on TV last week and said he wants Fogerty at the club but if he has a better offer somewhere else for his future and his family, he needs to take it. That suggests they could take up the option but don’t want to block him from the security of additional years on his contract. Now, an article has come out yesterday suggesting he’s set to re-sign at the Raiders - you don’t know that it doesn’t include additional years to keep him from taking up the Manly offer. It’s pretty common for clubs to renegotiate upgrades to keep players happy and secure; it happens all the time.

It seems you want to point the finger at conjecture and a lack of facts, (even though no one claimed them to be facts) whilst simultaneously dealing in conjecture yourself.

True Canberra might take up the option, especially as he's now in very good form. But I thought @lsz was making a fair point that if they don't, then he's not of that value. To them, at least.
Having said that, if they don't take up the option, who knows what a first grade standard half will cost in todays market! Could be way more, depending who is in the bidding.