Bearfax
Grizzly old fart
Then that makes a significant proportion of both men and women grubs, because it is very common, even though morally we may think it wrong.
Jack de Belin court case
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Then that makes a significant proportion of both men and women grubs, because it is very common, even though morally we may think it wrong.
Bearfax
Grizzly old fart
Shoe1
Journey Man
Cheating is not uncommon, but actively picking up for a "standard bun" must be pretty rare? That is what they called her in the phone call to other players afterwards. does this suggest there are standard buns, non-standard, extraordinary buns etc? Pretty grubby, treating the girl as a piece of meat.
Oh I'm not saying its not uncommon and I'm certainly not living in some utopia where I'm oblivious to infidelity.
Though the fact that something happens alot doesnt mean is not a grubby/poor/disappointing etc etc act.
Jack at a bare minimum was out cheating on his pregnant wife. Does he get hung for that, no. Do I think poorly of him for it, yes!
Each to their own though
Bearfax
Grizzly old fart
Its quite myogenous in nature, but such sexist behaviour is not rare. People 'cheat' for different reasons, some for power, lust, comfort, loneliness even in a marriage, even the forbidden fruit of excitement. Certainly group male predatory behaviour is the worst of this type of behaviour, but any in depth examination of war activities reveals it was very common. That's not excusing the behaviour, just stating it exists and not an uncommon human trait.
Though I've strongly advised against extramarital trysts amongst some of my friends, both male and female ( I tend to be the listener), it happens, and those people are smart and respectable people in other areas of their life. The motivations are quite varied.
I thought the judge gave the jury the answers during her wrap up, which they often do.
Sometimes these selected jurors become Perry Mason once sworn in. I have seen these happen a couple times myself.
On one case the foreperson selected themselves saying her extensive reading (which turned out to be crime novels) would mean no one else would be at her "level". Of course when put in a room with 11 total strangers no one said a peep.
Peter C
Bencher
This has been going on for ages with footballers, women love to hang around them and perhaps to some extent form a relationship with them, however to most of these guys a relationship is the last thing on their mind.
Perhaps it was a situation that perhaps got out of hand as to what the girl wanted and what the guys expected.
If the girl didn't socialise with the guys after the event then it would have added more credibility to her story.
My opinion on this, the girl was obviously acquainted with the younger guy and thought perhaps there could be something there, I find it hard to believe that a nineteen year old girl would want to indulge in group anal sex willingly, but hey I'm in my late sixties, what would I know?
Shoe1
Journey Man
Agreed, the judge's summing-up put the decision on a plate (either way) so I am perplexed at the lack of consensus. I wonder what the split of numbers between guilty and not-guilty was?
Charge 6 was very strange - it put the question that they were both responsible for the non-consensual anal sex - but the court heard that only one of them did it, while the other one was in the shower. The result is that both were found innocent of this charge, yet one of them actually did it. The case seems very garbled.
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Official NRL commentator of the UK Royal Family
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Its very messy from tbe prosecution. Seems like they were relying on the wave of negative public opinion to get them over the line which just hasnt happened.
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Ive mentioned before on here a very minor accusation was leveled at me when i was about 21 from a young lady.
Was at a party and gave 4 others a lift home early hours of morning. After dropping first 3 off she was last in line. She made a drunken move on me and i respectively turned her down.
Next morning i get a call from a mate saying xxxxxx was on the phone to his girlfriend saying id got all leechie and that id tried to force myself on her shich was all total BS. She told 3 others the same story but no one really believed her so it went away.
She had been interested for some time but due to a pretty rough exterior i was NEVER going to go there. Ever. Might sound harsh but facts are facts.
My point being some people can be less than truthful when things dont go their way and are even prepared to doubld down on the lies if need be.
Was at a party and gave 4 others a lift home early hours of morning. After dropping first 3 off she was last in line. She made a drunken move on me and i respectively turned her down.
Next morning i get a call from a mate saying xxxxxx was on the phone to his girlfriend saying id got all leechie and that id tried to force myself on her shich was all total BS. She told 3 others the same story but no one really believed her so it went away.
She had been interested for some time but due to a pretty rough exterior i was NEVER going to go there. Ever. Might sound harsh but facts are facts.
My point being some people can be less than truthful when things dont go their way and are even prepared to doubld down on the lies if need be.
47MVEagle
Bencher
"Man Bun"
yokahontas
Bencher
Yes, it 100% does. And I’m speaking as someone who’s been on the receiving end. There are plenty of people around who are happy with various non-monogamous arrangements - if you want the same, go find someone like-minded. Don’t get into a monogamous arrangement and make a mockery of it and the other party involved.
Cheating on someone is one of the lowest, most disrespectful and, yes, downright grubby things one individual can do to another they profess to care about. Grow the F up and leave a relationship if you’re not happy in it.
Bearfax
Grizzly old fart
Actually my wife left me for someone else and I suspect it had been going on for a while. Still have a good relationship with her, these many years later. Hurt and caused me trust issues, but that's life. I certainly would never call her a grub. But that's not the same as the De Bellin issue. My main gripe with him is disrespect for another person and you're right that is grubby.. But of my ex, her heart took her elsewhere. Mind you it taught me never to get involved with someone already committed to a relationship. But that's just me.
manly al
First Grader
Welcome back Yokahontas , always respect your candid and relevant posts
manly al
First Grader
Sorry to hear that Bearfax , of course when life throws out some curve balls , not a lot we can do about it sometimes , irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the matter .
yokahontas
Bencher
I’m sorry to hear that Bearfax; obviously everyone has different thresholds for what they accept, and if it works for you to remain friends with your ex-wife who can argue with that?
My ex, on the other hand, is an absolute grub, pathetic excuse for a human being, and every other epithet my friends and family used in the aftermath of him being found out. Worse that there are kids involved (including at least one with special needs) that he was apparently siring with randoms all over the place for a decade or more, then disappearing on. And I couldn’t tell you how many times or how straightforwardly I had made it clear to him that I can’t stand cheaters, and if he ever wanted to be with someone else to have the decency to end things with me first.
JDB and Hayne are the same category of grub as him, all with the added kicker of dragging innocent kids through the fallout from their scummy behaviour.
from NSW prosecution guidelines:
Where two juries have been unable to agree upon a verdict, a retrial will be directed only in exceptional circumstances. Any such direction must be given by the Director or a Deputy Director.
Where a jury has reached a verdict on some charges but is undecided on others, the following should be considered in addition to the above factors when determining whether to proceed on the remaining charges:
• the seriousness of the remaining charges
• the sentences the accused has received for the other charges.
The views of the victim and police should be taken into account in considering whether a matter should proceed to a retrial, in accordance with the principles in Chapter 5: Victims and witnesses. The complainant in prescribed sexual offence proceedings should be informed about the legislative provisions permitting his or her recorded evidence at the original trial to be tendered at a retrial.
Where two juries have been unable to agree upon a verdict, a retrial will be directed only in exceptional circumstances. Any such direction must be given by the Director or a Deputy Director.
Where a jury has reached a verdict on some charges but is undecided on others, the following should be considered in addition to the above factors when determining whether to proceed on the remaining charges:
• the seriousness of the remaining charges
• the sentences the accused has received for the other charges.
The views of the victim and police should be taken into account in considering whether a matter should proceed to a retrial, in accordance with the principles in Chapter 5: Victims and witnesses. The complainant in prescribed sexual offence proceedings should be informed about the legislative provisions permitting his or her recorded evidence at the original trial to be tendered at a retrial.
OneEyedEagle
Bencher
I just think some on her choose who they cater
So you didn't take one for the team
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