Is there a pattern developing here?

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  1. Class of 96

    By:Class of 96Jun 20, 2019
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    You’re kidding right. 5 years of data....5 years. Out of curiosity, and to point to the laziness comment, what do you read into that data that mere mortals cannot comprehend, rather than a few lazy throwaway lines.
     
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    • globaleagle

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      This story coming to a Daily Telegraph near you. (Now the idea and the research has been done).
       
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      • Moops

        By:MoopsJun 21, 2019
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        Haha, yes, I read the first paragraph, rolled my eyes and moved on. I didn't really want to waste my time with the rest of it. Same old, same old...
         
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        By:conanuJun 21, 2019
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        Well that escalated quickly. Poor old Technical Coach just offering a different angle guys.
         
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        • maxta

          By:maxtaJun 21, 2019
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          I think TC is looking at an angle of reason for each and every penalty coming back to the player, I agree often penalties have been warranted, but in the same game the opposition seems to often commit the same crime for a different result....especially games where Manly have kicked out to a lead.....this happens to many teams, though Manly as shown are on top of the Hit list.
          Facts are facts and the equation is 2 + 2 here - Manly have been copping the rough end of the pineapple....and over a long period is the most honest assessment.
          There have been plenty of games where I challenged my own bias, thinking we were getting cooked by the refs.....I'm with the theory Manly have been copping a fair bit and always kind of think....well there will be a game soon where we get the rub of the green in a game we should have lost...which has happened the ODD occasion...
          I'm with 96 and Tooves on this 1 - "There needs to be an investigation into this" :swear:
           
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          • Tragic-Eagles

            By:Tragic-EaglesJun 21, 2019
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            It needs to stop!
             
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            By:ricardoJun 21, 2019
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            "Manly just has to get it out of their game"
             
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              By:BearfaxJun 21, 2019
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              Self serving duplicitous amateurs run the game. What else can we expect. The game is becoming more and more professional in the way it is played but the administration and general policing of the game, remains little better than park football standard. They've never grown up.
               
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                "It's not our go...!"
                 
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                By:jbb/jamesJun 21, 2019
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                With a high turnover over players in recent years, multiple coaches its difficult to mount a case that Manly are less disciplined. We have a lot of cleanskin type players also. If this was one group of players under one coach like a bellamy who were hell bent on pushing the envelope but This is not

                There are really only 2 scenarious.
                Manly is a team that intend to resist the rules at all costs because they wear a manly jersey , and this is a condition of employment enshrined in a ancient ritual when they join the club, to disobey the ref at all costs and this is our mission statement
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                There is a culture among the refs that manly are ill disciplined so it is much easier to find and justify airing the armpits to appease the agenda, either passive or real

                Manly cost fox mega mega millions by resisting and forming allegiences in the war We literally cost them hundreds of millions of dollars. We must never forget that, i doubt rupert has
                 
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                • Woodsie

                  By:WoodsieJun 21, 2019
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                  Moondog moondog moondog ...... didn't you listen to Annesly .... they weren't really eye gouges ....
                   
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                    Data processed. We are the second most penalised team over the last 7 years. Tits are most penalised. Drags are a surprise !
                     
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                      Sorted on average penalties per game, instead of rank. We are still second.
                       
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                        By:WoodsieJun 21, 2019
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                        Agree with you that 5 seasons against all opposition, home and away etc is a sufficiently large sample size to indicate the validity of the trend as shown by Sparton .... it exists no doubt .. Broncos are far less penalised and Manly more so .. consistently ...

                        But here I find myself in the unusual position of saying that what old mate Technical raises is also valid ... what we have is a case of clear differentiation between the two teams .... what we don't know for sure is the reason ...

                        Whilst the smart money may be on favouritism .... it may only be one factor .... and we can speculate what other factors would also contribute ... for example the Matai/Watmough loading ....
                         
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                          Interestingly enough Des a man known as pretty much over everything was able to get the dogs to be more disciplined than the manly youngsters.

                          I am gobsmacked
                           
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                          Not to mention coaches. You would think coaches that changed clubs would be relevant
                           
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                          • Oliver

                            By:OliverJun 21, 2019
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                            A bit of a sidetrack but I've noticed we give away a lot of penalties early, could this maybe be a deliberate strategy because the referees tend to always even them up by the end of a match?

                            I know the Roosters used to give away penalties deliberately on their own line previously to reset their defensive structures.
                             
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                            I have seen Jake makes a textbook tackle, basically cutting a bloke in half instead of the wrestle BS, where they go to sleep on the player and he is literally penalised after 1 second on the ground....worse still, he has often driven them backwards and completed what is called a "Dominant tackle" - yet is penalised ?
                            The thing is...players make these dancing tackles to hold a player up, allowing a late legs tackle before being ushered onto their backs as the clock seems to start from the time an attacker hits the ground....therefore the quality legs tackle is almost outlawed as the defender needs to release in a flash allowing a quick play the ball - no reward !!
                            Strange really, as I was bought up on good shots in the mid section to drive an opponent onto the ground with force, these wrestles are all handsies and grabbing using hands, not shoulders - which old school coaches would frown on....the NRL MUST reward legs and mid section tackles as a priority!!
                             
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                            • KOMORI

                              By:KOMORIJun 21, 2019
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                              If your quoting Hodges they’re, you’ve gotten ummmm errrrrr ya grummar all wrong.. @:D
                               
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                                Often it's almost all I hear in a Manly defensive set. The refs constantly yelling: "Jake, get up now, Jake, get square, Jake, don't tackle so hard, Jake Jake Jake jaaaaakeeeeeee..."

                                It's a wonder Jake doesn't end each game with PTSD
                                 
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