Is Mestrov really our Messiah?

Here in lies a fairly interesting issue for DCE and yes, it is a large issue for HIM.

Is he one hundred percent confident that his management team OR agents of said team DID NOT receive any correspondence regarding the discussions pertaining to his request for an early release OR any narrative forming the basis of discussions about HIS position moving forward with the Club?

Secondly, is he willing to come forward to provide evidence himself that the request, as we have been led to believe, was so he could return to QLD however, at the same time, a certain club had just announced a deal for one year for a player that would, coincidentally, expire at the same time as when he would "finish up" at Manly?

Now, I'm a fairly simple person however, if during this period of time, representations were made to his management team of the likelihood that IF he were to be given a contract, it would be "X" dollars and he wasn't happy with those "preliminary discussions", he has every right to tell the Club to "stick it" and quite possibly did so by telling them that he was going to retire or "go overseas".

Things with DCE may have been going south for a long while, and over the last week, his camp have been doing their very best to set the agenda on where they would like this story to travel.

In fact, towards the end of last week and into the weekend, it was becoming a 50/50 story with the Club presenting their "case" among the way.

The narrative was beginning to come out that BOTH parties were somewhat "loose" with the entire saga and then on Sunday night, he couldn't help himself and he needed to produce the halo to ensure that he is front and centre again, and it's the Club that is the one, actually no, "someone", is conducting a smear campaign against him.

He is an exceptionally smart person, in so far as he won't publically name the person or persons knowing full well he can use the conduit (like all figures in the game do) of the to media with its large legal teams to do his bidding for him, should the need arise (in then making any statements or claims about people).

This now leads me to a very interesting news article written by Weidler; do we all remember when, for the first time in recorded history, the NRL were going to value DCE at something ridiculous like $450,000 (factoring in the reduction for tenure at one Club)?

If the Club took this amount and then decided to offer him what they considered to be a financially responsible amount as part of a negotiation (oh wait, they never happened), is that a slap in the face to DCE?

Could it be, that, if this were to be the case and he was to sign for another Club for more than two-times that valuation, this could this be construed as DCE being money-hungry?

Or would that be a smear campaign in asking such a valid question?

Let's be very honest here it is becoming quite apparent that the DCE camp and the media know full well that information pertaining to this whole matter can not be released into the public domain as all discussions held, verbal (contemporaneous notes and record of discussions between parties serve a very important purpose in matters like this) or written correspondence would be done under a certain degree of confidence between the parties.

One last thing, do you believe it would serve the Club, the team and us, as fans, any benefit for the Club to release any correspondence possibly protected under confidence?

Wouldn't that be the ultimate recipe for disaster and derail our season?

Why would anyone proceed on the basis that requesting such information could have such a detrimental effect on the playing group.

Or could there be, as has been throughout this entire saga, an ulterior motive?

It's not unlike any of the parties to say one thing in public, yet perform completely different in private, is it 🤔.
I am sure there are ulterior motives at play on both sides of this @AndWeDon'tCare and player contracts are definitely protected with confidentiality…

But I highly doubt that requests for early release are and I am sure there is a trench of communications that are also not preserved from the public eye…

Is it gonna make the situation better by releasing them? Possibility not… but, if that is the concern, then why has the club been drip-feeding tidbits to the media for the last week?

Chez has an agenda, sure… so does the club, which is trying its best not to look as incompetent as it seems to have been….

I have said many times that planning for the future and prioritising the future roster is good management by the club… but pretending to prioritise Chez by throwing a contract at him last second (once the relationship was obviously broken) and pretending you have done all you could to retain him - whilst attempting to undermine his position through media leaks… well, that is something else…
 
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This has crossed my mind when thinking of the announcement on channel nine, Daly mentioned some people at the club may not be aware of a contract not being offered, I assume this is Penn he was referring to.

I don’t know what term is used in professional sport where a player takes a grievance to a person more senior, after the Sunday post game press conference it comes across like insubordination to me.

If the shenanigans continue an early release looks likely.
Yeah, I assumed Mestrov and Penn would have signed off on the Chez retention strategy but another poster pointed out that Peter Gentle likely handled it and those two may not have found out until the Monday of 100% - potentially prompting the scrambling contract offer via fox and the subsequent damage control dark ops…

Guess we will know if Gentle is gone not long after Chez…
 
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Why do we keep talking about the club offering and/or not offering a contract? Both parties have agreed no contract was offered. I’m not seeing how that’s the issue here.

The issue is why did DCE not want a deal at Manly. He told them he was leaving, so why would we expect the club to have made an offer? Are people suggesting he didn’t want a deal at Manly because they didn’t offer one? I’m confused.

I’m leaning towards a release request being rejected before any negotiations even began for next year. That’s what’s got him upset, i.e. loyal servant of the club wants to leave for family reasons (relocation/money, etc.) and no good will from the club. Maybe he sees Penrith’s handling of the JFH release as precedent for how Manly should have dealt with his request.
 
Attn: Devil’s Advocate:

The lowball offer a week ago, which seems to have emanated from Scott (and appears to be a face-saving measure), would suggest he is on Mestrov’s side, not DCE’s.

If Scott wasn’t in Mestrov’s camp, the offer would have been much closer to what DCE still thinks he is worth. Plus they would have made the offer months ago, if they really wanted to keep Danny Weidler’s latest temporary friend.

So I think we can assume the CEO is safe for now.
I reckon that offer just reflects where our cap is at… there were probably a few deck chairs re-arranged to even get there…

@AndWeDon'tCare points out that a ‘value’ of around $450k was floated (ironically through Weidler) a few weeks back and (if raised with Chez by the club) could potentially proved the final straw…

In the end, the club has a strong, young roster that it is trying to preserve as support to the Turbos (who are still on big contracts until 2027)… you cannot keep them all and Chez needs to be transitioning out at some point…

however, maintaining relationships with your longest-serving player and being honest with fans should be priorities still…
 
Why do we keep talking about the club offering and/or not offering a contract? Both parties have agreed no contract was offered. I’m not seeing how that’s the issue here.

The issue is why did DCE not want a deal at Manly. He told them he was leaving, so why would we expect the club to have made an offer? Are people suggesting he didn’t want a deal at Manly because they didn’t offer one? I’m confused.

I’m leaning towards a release request being rejected before any negotiations even began for next year. That’s what’s got him upset, i.e. loyal servant of the club wants to leave for family reasons (relocation/money, etc.) and no good will from the club. Maybe he sees Penrith’s handling of the JFH release as precedent for how Manly should have dealt with his request.
From what I gather there was no official contract offered it was a remuneration figure as a starting point, this is the challenge from Weirdler seeking official evidence of the document trail..

 
I reckon that offer just reflects where our cap is at… there were probably a few deck chairs re-arranged to even get there…

@AndWeDon'tCare points out that a ‘value’ of around $450k was floated (ironically through Weidler) a few weeks back and (if raised with Chez by the club) could potentially proved the final straw…

In the end, the club has a strong, young roster that it is trying to preserve as support to the Turbos (who are still on big contracts until 2027)… you cannot keep them all and Chez needs to be transitioning out at some point…

however, maintaining relationships with your longest-serving player and being honest with fans should be priorities still…
Interesting that you mention Weidler and a $450K offer.I wonder if that’s a tactic by the DCE camp to make it look like they low balled him,when in fact the $450K was just what goes onto the cap after the veteran/long service discount?
 
Interesting that you mention Weidler and a $450K offer.I wonder if that’s a tactic by the DCE camp to make it look like they low balled him,when in fact the $450K was just what goes onto the cap after the veteran/long service discount?
Potentially… I thought about this and I am not really sure how it works… does that mean the club can still pay him a $1m a year and only put $450k on the cap? I doubt it and, even if they could, they still have to come up with the coin…

I doubt the Leagues Club is paying it and we know Penn(y pincher) probably isn’t… third party sponsorship maybe? But that has been a minefield for Manly before…

Happy to be educated by posters more in the know regarding the process…
 
I’m leaning towards a release request being rejected before any negotiations even began for next year. That’s what’s got him upset, i.e. loyal servant of the club wants to leave for family reasons (relocation/money, etc.) and no good will from the club. Maybe he sees Penrith’s handling of the JFH release as precedent for how Manly should have dealt with his request.
Then with this and his previous history, contracts mean nought. Unless of course your form has dropped then... crickets
 
I am just playing devils advocate here as many on this forum now seem to be siding with the club and the narrative of DCE being a money grabbing mercenary.

It seems to be working as blaming the club for screwing up the resigning a club legend is what we all should be concerned about.

None of us know the truth.

Neither does weazler.
 
Lol what a beat-up non-story.
Weidler has correct info, other journos have false info. Because... he says so @:D
As for 'show me the emails'... that is hilarious!
If Mestrov even bothers responding to any more of this scuttlebutt he should be sacked.
And if DCE opens his mouth again then he should be dropped from the team (and I am a fan of his footy, but there's no excuse to keep playing this out in the media.)
Shut up and play ball!
 
Neither does weazler.
Weedler and DCE, must be best mates now because Weedler seems to have a vendetta against Mestrov and while he is looking in the garbage bins to find something, then this is never going to die down anytime soon, and again, for a bloke that doesnt want his business to play out in the media, then DCE is definitely the conductor in all this
 
It's pretty obvious from 100% Footy tonight that Mestrov has been feeding bullschiit about DCE - a smear campaign

Mestrov never offered DCE a deal last year before Nov 1st. Or after.
Never discussed one year or two
Or a formal offer of $$

No wonder DCE told them in December he was going to leave. Exactly what Mestrov wanted.

Now Mestrov is feeding the media the opposite bs about DCE.
Ooh look a Weirdler fan. What are you both called? Weibles?
 
Lol what a beat-up non-story.
Weidler has correct info, other journos have false info. Because... he says so @:D
As for 'show me the emails'... that is hilarious!
If Mestrov even bothers responding to any more of this scuttlebutt he should be sacked.
And if DCE opens his mouth again then he should be dropped from the team (and I am a fan of his footy, but there's no excuse to keep playing this out in the media.)
Shut up and play ball!
Hell yeah !!
 
I look forward to the club producing the evidence Weidler asked for… that will settle the matter permanently… all it takes is an email from the club to Chez with a contract offer…

Chez seems confident they can’t back up their claims…
You want the club to go through it's commercial in confidence material and give it to a journalist?

Why not throw in Obama's birth certificate while they're at it?
 
Personally, I don't believe Mestrov makes recruitment decisions. He is not in a position to make footballing decisions and decide whether he wants to keep DCE or not; he is a businessman. The coach makes recruitment decisions in consultation with the recruitment team.
Mestrov stated in an interview (I think with ABC Sport?) that he chairs the retention and recruitment committee of which Seibold is a member.
 
Why do we keep talking about the club offering and/or not offering a contract? Both parties have agreed no contract was offered. I’m not seeing how that’s the issue here.

The issue is why did DCE not want a deal at Manly. He told them he was leaving, so why would we expect the club to have made an offer? Are people suggesting he didn’t want a deal at Manly because they didn’t offer one? I’m confused.

I’m leaning towards a release request being rejected before any negotiations even began for next year. That’s what’s got him upset, i.e. loyal servant of the club wants to leave for family reasons (relocation/money, etc.) and no good will from the club. Maybe he sees Penrith’s handling of the JFH release as precedent for how Manly should have dealt with his request.

A little clarification here @LeonardCohen; Tony Mestrov is on the record in saying that an offer was made, not a formal NRL sanctioned offer, to his agent and this has not been disputed by DCE at all.

Was a formal offer made during the negotiations, no, there was no formal offer but to say that "no offer was made" is incorrect.

Why do I, in particular harp on about such a to thing, for me, in my line of work, it goes towards the character of a person or party and the integrity of accepting responsibility, as a whole, to how you or your agents represent you.

Again, I'm not trying to defend one party or the other however, I'm a stickler for the finer details when it comes to a story.

That's an issue in my book and will always remain an issue.

Conduct and performance go a long way in any negotiation, as does a semblance of truth, by either party.
 
You want the club to go through it's commercial in confidence material and give it to a journalist?

Why not throw in Obama's birth certificate while they're at it?
It will not all be protected… contract terms are… release requests, emails offering a contract (terms can be redacted - eg. an email stating “please find attached a contract offer for the consideration of your client”) and things of that nature (backing up some of the contested claims coming from the club) most certainly are not protected by “commercial in confidence”…
 

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