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Hiku Can't defend

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by gotsy, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. gotsy

    gotsy Active Member

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    Quite evident after Friday night. But also the last month of footy, if anyone has noticed, he regularly comes off his wing leaving 20+ metres for opposing wingers to run down the line. He gets caught out way too easy. I'd drop him and put Gutherson there. Or even Blair
     
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    • Dave Eagle

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      He'll be at hooker anyway
       
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      • the mauler

        the mauler Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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        Not on the wing anyway. Has got no idea.
         
      • Harry

        Harry Active Member

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        None of them are wingers. You can't just throw anyone there. Its a specialised position and positioning is very important. I have seen them all move in off their wing and even in cup level and their defence is ordinary as well. "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe"
         
      • gotsy

        gotsy Active Member

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        I hear what you're saying harry, but these guys are professionals, and whether he is a winger, centre or fullback, its not rocket science on how to mark up and not constantly jam in leaving 20 metres between yourself and the wing.
         
      • Fluffy

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        So Hiku should stay stay out wide leaving a huge gap inside every time Lyon goes in, which is very very often.

        We are coming too far in to counter the slide, Hiku is often marked up on the oppositions center, he is not to blame for that, those inside him are.

        The question is why is Lyon coming so far in, sometimes Lyon is in line with the goal post leaving Hiku about 40% of the field to defend.
         
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        • Harry

          Harry Active Member

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          I agree. None of them are perfect.
           
        • Ron E. Gibbs

          Ron E. Gibbs Well-Known Member

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          ^ Yep, it's not Hiku, just like it wasn't the Wolfman. It's not Lyon either - there's a problem with the whole left side. It ends up forcing the winger to come in and making him look bad, but most of the time it happens it's because someone on the inside has missed his defensive assignment.
           
        • EagleFromMay1967

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          The common denominator between Wolfy, Taufua, Blair, & Hiku is the coaching, : or lack of specialist attention by the coaching team.
           
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          • COMMANDER

            COMMANDER IF YOU DO NOT TRY YOU CAN NOT FAIL 2016 Tipping Competitor

            Slowest winger in the NRL.
             
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            • Harry

              Harry Active Member

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              Communication is the key, he needs to yell out to get them to slide down and the winger always marks his man and needs to stay on his wing in defence and not move in
               
            • lsz

              lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              A question

              Did Glenn used to play on the same side? Is it worse in his absence ?
               
            • the mauler

              the mauler Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              Yes, and yes.
               
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              • lsz

                lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                So is it safe to say it is not fair / reactionary to blame hiku?
                 
              • Snake

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                Sure, you can blame the inside men for rushing in, but when the ball can be put through the hands, rather than needing to be "cut out", you can say with some confidence that Hiku has missed his assignment. He is leaving his run too late. If you are going to rush in, you have to do it quickly and with commitment. The way the game is played these days, I don't really think hitting in is that successful anyway. With the wrestle being as prominent as it is, I think sliding is probably a better option, because the ruck is so slow, you can afford to slide, but you must push up first.
                 
              • tookey

                tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                He has a week to learn how to make 50 tackles against the dogs.
                 
              • Andrew..

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                I think Jamie is drawn inwards because he feels a few players aren't aiming up when it comes to goal line defence...the loss of Ballin, Buhrer, and Glenn only compounds the problem.
                 
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                • Mark from Brisbane

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                  50 tackles, that might be the first half only!!
                   
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                  • mickqld

                    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                    Gutherson & Blair must be the wingers. We need speed out there. Hiku to bench. Jorge out.
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                    2V must make some changes. Horo has been crap. Bring in Andrews & Sao.
                     
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                    • Shoe1

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                      Our compressed defence was king for the past 5 years, best in the comp.

                      Other coaches have now worked out how to beat it. Look at how the souths winger and centre lined up. They were actually quite close together, so our defenders were too. The difference was the 45 degree angle the winger ran on to a pass that was past hiku. They passed and ran into space on an angle.

                      This happened to bozo too, coaches worked him out. Tooves needs to change it up.
                       

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