Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Brocky, Jul 26, 2017.
As long as there are 2 premierships in the meantime, I couldn't give a rat's arse.
I'm not that excited about the dog coming back. I'll be convinced if he can get this side into a top 4 side. We have the players, if fit, to do so. He hasn't got control of recruitment so he can't use back ended contracts to recruit or retain, after screwing our cap and now the dogs's cap as well. Let's see how super coach goes. Yes. I'm still bitter from his last departure and he'll have to get this team firing to win back my support.
He was a dog but now he is wearing our colours again . He is a Sea eagle again I am with you that Hasler will be my Hero only if he turns the Bastardized Barrett team into a Winning Manly team again . He has done it before and he can do it again
Penn stated that Des will be signing-off on recruitment and retention. Crusher is our recruitment manager and he and Des have worked together for over 15 years. Yes, Des will be all but totally in control of our cap . To be fair, Des's cap management strategy was not allowed to play out at either club as he was removed mid plan.
Crazy how there was talk of players leaving, couldn't sign a recruitment manager, couldn't sign a head of football manager, couldn't recruit any decent players. We sign dez and all of a sudden everyone wants in! Crazy. So many ex manly players as well and the ex winning staff.
This is why Scott Penn needs to go. how many years of competitive football have we lost because of his ego?
Under Barrett, not many.
To your first point, It's a worry if the Penns allow that, no big back ended contracts should be stipulated into his contract. Unless we've after one top line player. To you second point about the dogs, the dog recruited Woods and Foran and others which they couldn't afford. He also had Greg Eastwood in reserve grade getting paid 850k in his back ended contract. Look at the mess they were in, they had to offload heaps of players. All thanks to the dog.
I wonder if we can blame Hasler for his contract strategies. Remember he coached Manly for 8 years and was only out of the finals in the initial year. Back end contracts didn't seem to bite them during that period. Then Toovey took over and he kept them in the finals even getting them to a grand final for his first three years. Only in the fourth year did he miss out and that was 9th and that was a year comparable to this year with serious injuries. So for 11 years they were in the finals and back ended contracts didn't seem to bite them during that period. Sure money was tight and some players were on big salaries at the end of their contracts but, they seemed to manage that situation for 11 years. But for injury Toovey would probably have got them into the finals for his last year. Certainly by the end they had some top drawer players on big money, but attrition seemed to address this in years past. At Canterbury Hasler got them to two grand finals in six years and again only fell out of the finals once, and I think this was more to do with lack of creative players and reliance on a big forward pack that became predictable. Their defence was final's class, but they had no attack. So I think I can understand Hasler's argument about how much back end contracts actually impacted on the teams he coached. He still ended with a 58% win ratio at the two clubs and Toovey also had a 58% win ratio. And these with clubs hampered by back end contracts? Could this issue be overstated?
With almost ZERO TPA's available to us in comparison to the big money clubs, back-ending contracts is probably a necessary evil, to some extent. We NEED a way to level the playing field a bit. I will never claim to understand how to fund a competitive roster in the modern game and frankly you probably don't either. . In all fairness once again, Des' plan was not allowed to run it's course. Also, the bulldogs failed to win a premiership so none of their players became targets to offload towards the end of their contracts. I believe back-ending contracts relies on team success to make it sustainable..and very importantly, the plan running it's full course.. I have no problem with Des's methods, especially considering our very weak financial landscape.
Des and his back ended deals rely on a desperate club paying overs for our players. Maybe something Des learnt from being traded to West's.
That had nothing to do with back ended deals and Des was made the fall guy. Ray Dib bet on the salary cap being increased further than it did so signed these players and than the cap didn't go up as much he thought and blamed Des and sacked him.
Mybe, Eastwood, Graham and Tolman were on big back ended deals when hasler was in charge. He did it to us once and he's done it to the dogs.
I get the desperate times require desperate measures argument. But with Toovey around, this is a tragic decision.
When will this new thread be started Mark?
Ouch I’ll never forgive or forget but I can see it’s the right thing at this stage.
I think one has to accept the only constant as a Silvertailer is the fact that we staunchly follow the Sea Eagles and we should reserve the right to change our position on any topic based on the rigorous debate and eloquent discussion found in abundance on this forum. Tooheys New will be fine when we catch up @Mark from Brisbane.
Mate ... he is only a consequitive loss away from being stoned ......
I think @Mark from Brisbane was posting one of his 'the opposite will happen posts'. I don't have enough fingers to count the amount of times the opposite of MFBs reccomendation/predictions happen. It made for a good laugh in the tipping comp. Sorry MFB
I will be the first one to throw the boulder because no one tarnishes the proud Manly jumper with Pathetic and mediocre wooden spoon level performances . Des wont disappoint though . I feel very confident he wont
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