Do we move a back to edge forward ?

[Woodsie]

Centres have rarely ever changed sides of the ruck. Either right or left is a specialised position(passing right to left and vicky verca and defending in either direction) and side preferences are automatic through personal strengths and weaknesses.

Suli is a turnstile on his FAVOURED side...imagine how bad he would be on the other.

Defending in the second row coming off an injury layoff...someone is taking the plss.

Not so .... when you have a dominant senior centre, say Lyon, and another centre comes into the team, the new guy takes whichever side Lyon doesn't want ... it has ever been thus ... and many players have played most of their careers on the side they least preferred ... same with wingers ...

You may have a preferred side ... but that is all it is ... preferred ... and your coach will try to match that to players, but at the end of the day ... you play on the side the team needs you to ..

 

[eagleron]

What you say is logical ... however IMO this left and right centre is over stated in the game ... if a player is that specialised that he can't swap for a game if needed ... then he is as useful as thingmybobs on whatsanames .... and should take up beer pong ..

I've got a beer pong table if anyone is interested having a go ;=)

 

[Woodsie]

I've got a beer pong table if anyone is interested having a go ;=)

What's your address ... my son and his mates will come over ... you have the beer ?

 

[Pete W]

Walker for example is far more effective on the right side than left. Someone like Lyon who was just an absolute freak on the other hand could play anywhere. Suli I get the impression is a slow learner, and a creature of habit...being thrust on the other side with different players around him without having trained there is a nightmare waiting to happen. Will be interesting to see if/where he pops up - maybe keppie a stint on that right edge like previous weeks, and suli 10-15mins in the middle! Ha! Wouldn't that be a laugh...Suli to prop

 

[40 years an eagle]

Dear moderator who changed my thread title without notice and then added a new option in the poll ....

My thread was entirely based on the situation presented this week with Suli named on the bench ... and the assumption that Guacamole will be rested at some stage .... It is a very specific question ... that if this happens .. who goes to 2nd row .. this week ..

Your interference has changed that very specific question into a meaningless naming of players not even in the squad on sunday ..

Horhay is named in the 21 and is a valid option for your topic. His omission from your poll is maybe YOUR mistake?

 

[40 years an eagle]

Not so .... when you have a dominant senior centre, say Lyon, and another centre comes into the team, the new guy takes whichever side Lyon doesn't want ... it has ever been thus ... and many players have played most of their careers on the side they least preferred ... same with wingers ...

You may have a preferred side ... but that is all it is ... preferred ... and your coach will try to match that to players, but at the end of the day ... you play on the side the team needs you to ..

I don't believe this is the case for the last 20 years or so...maybe back in our playing days it was so. Centres are chosen and recruited to fit a specific side of the ruck...that's why a centre changing sides is VERY rarely seen. Killer was also a VERY rare exception.

 

[Woodsie]

Horhay is named in the 21 and is a valid option for your topic. His omission from your poll is maybe YOUR mistake?

Goodo ... however we all have the inalienable right to make our own mistakes without the interference of big brother ....

 

[The better Robbo]

Not so .... when you have a dominant senior centre, say Lyon, and another centre comes into the team, the new guy takes whichever side Lyon doesn't want ... it has ever been thus ... and many players have played most of their careers on the side they least preferred ... same with wingers ...

You may have a preferred side ... but that is all it is ... preferred ... and your coach will try to match that to players, but at the end of the day ... you play on the side the team needs you to ..

Ill back you up on this one woodsie. I'm pretty sure Suli started on the left at Tigers and was a machine hence the Dogs offering him massive money. How do we know left or right is someone's preferred side or its just the side the coach prefers them to play?
I played centre my whole life and I often just asked to swap with the other centre for a game here and there Just to mix it up (the coach was ok with this) If a first grader can't adapt then I agree maybe they aren't a quality 1st grader.
Of course you have a favourite foot to step off or a favourite arm to carry the ball BUT depending if you are bringing the ball out from your end or attacking the line or hitting a hole it all changes what foot you can step off or what skill you can use etc
Having a player only able to play one side is absurd, all good players can adjust!

 

[Pete W]

Ill back you up on this one woodsie. I'm pretty sure Suli started on the left at Tigers and was a machine hence the Dogs offering him massive money. How do we know left or right is someone's preferred side or its just the side the coach prefers them to play?
I played centre my whole life and I often just asked to swap with the other centre for a game here and there Just to mix it up (the coach was ok with this) If a first grader can't adapt then I agree maybe they aren't a quality 1st grader.
Of course you have a favourite foot to step off or a favourite arm to carry the ball BUT depending if you are bringing the ball out from your end or attacking the line or hitting a hole it all changes what foot you can step off or what skill you can use etc
Having a player only able to play one side is absurd, all good players can adjust!

Adjust if they must...but why would you take a player out of his preferred position if you don't have to? Injuries in the middle of a game should really be the only exception. Suli doesn't strike me as the type of player who can adapt to such a change without a fair bit of time. Also, re his stint at the tigers, he was playing as a winger. Why would Walker have to move to the left when Suli was brought in? Both being right centres, obviously Walker was more able to adapt (and that says a lot, as Walker was pretty crappy on the left)

 

[Woodsie]

Ill back you up on this one woodsie. I'm pretty sure Suli started on the left at Tigers and was a machine hence the Dogs offering him massive money. How do we know left or right is someone's preferred side or its just the side the coach prefers them to play?
I played centre my whole life and I often just asked to swap with the other centre for a game here and there Just to mix it up (the coach was ok with this) If a first grader can't adapt then I agree maybe they aren't a quality 1st grader.
Of course you have a favourite foot to step off or a favourite arm to carry the ball BUT depending if you are bringing the ball out from your end or attacking the line or hitting a hole it all changes what foot you can step off or what skill you can use etc
Having a player only able to play one side is absurd, all good players can adjust!

100% ... when I made Presso's the other winger was senior and he took his preferred side ... when I made u/23's there was a senior winger and he took his preferred side .. later when a new guy came up I was senior and I took my preferred side ... when I went up to reggies I again had to take the other side ... same with centres ..

I accept the game is more specialised ... and many players get so used to tackling or passing on one side that they suffer if swapped ... but if you have allowed yourself to be that limited in performance ... how will you ever make a rep team ... I am pretty certain Tommy Turbo isn't saying he will only play left or right centre or winger if chosen in SOO this year ...

 

[Pete W]

100% ... when I made Presso's the other winger was senior and he took his preferred side ... when I made u/23's there was a senior winger and he took his preferred side .. later when a new guy came up I was senior and I took my preferred side ... when I went up to reggies I again had to take the other side ... same with centres ..

I accept the game is more specialised ... and many players get so used to tackling or passing on one side that they suffer if swapped ... but if you have allowed yourself to be that limited in performance ... how will you ever make a rep team ... I am pretty certain Tommy Turbo isn't saying he will only play left or right centre or winger if chosen in SOO this year ...

How can you compare Turbo to Suli?? Obviously the best players in the game can play anywhere. Suli won't be playing in rep sides anytime soon

 

[Woodsie]

How can you compare Turbo to Suli?? Obviously the best players in the game can play anywhere. Suli won't be playing in rep sides anytime soon

I wasn't ... I was having a generalised conversation with the better one ...

 

[40 years an eagle]

Goodo ... however we all have the inalienable right to make our own mistakes without the interference of big brother ....

Fair enough brother. I agree you should have been consulted in this instance.

 

[Dion Johnson]

Suli could even play in the middle he is that big.

Out of the three above Suli would be the one I want to see play, Jorge a bit slow for the forwards...

 

[manlyfan76]

Can we add SAAB since he is so useless on the wing?!?

 

[eagleron]

What's your address ... my son and his mates will come over ... you have the beer ?

Always plenty of beer mate although the 400k drive might be a deterrent

 

[globaleagle]

Dear moderator who changed my thread title without notice and then added a new option in the poll ....

My thread was entirely based on the situation presented this week with Suli named on the bench ... and the assumption that Guacamole will be rested at some stage .... It is a very specific question ... that if this happens .. who goes to 2nd row .. this week ..

Your interference has changed that very specific question into a meaningless naming of players not even in the squad on sunday ..

lolz, u been uber haxxorzzzz!


Wasn't me. I just got back from watching the Canucks lose their 10,000th game in a row.

Plus I don't frig around with team thoughts cause like totes opinion w/e!

You sure it was changed? Do you smell toast? Are you having a heart attack?

Mmmm, toast!

 

[globaleagle]

Always plenty of beer mate although the 400k drive might be a deterrent

Ohhh... don't think some wouldn't do it....

that's only a four hour drive.

2 hours for sam burgess

 

[Woodsie]

Always plenty of beer mate although the 400k drive might be a deterrent

You underestimate the appeal of free beer to my son and his mates ...

 

[maxta]

not ahead of harper or parker. defensive they are great. walker is the only one who will unseat one of those.

Suli should ply his trade back in NSW Cup imo, but I think you will find 1 of these boy's injured....hence - Suli to centre