[Resurrected] DCE is the worst halfback in the NRL

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HoldenV8

Journey Man
In self preservation mode more than usual. Fatty was virtually screaming for both of them to take charge, run the ball , put some doubt on the donkies defense. All we did was 5 hit ups and an ineffective kick. Brooks just shuffling the ball to marked runners. DCE doing the same. This is what they're being coached ??? Fuk me we are so predictable no wonder they're losers.

Once again we showed just how much we rely on Turbo for our attack.
 

HoldenV8

Journey Man
You know something?? If Qld didn't have a history of pick and stick ... and if he wasn't the team captain ... if I was Billy Slater I would be seriously thinking about Sam Walker at halfback instead of DCE right now.

One is in very good form. One is not.

On the other side of the coin, maybe getting away from the team for a few weeks to be surrounded by well, better players, will do DCE some good?? Come back from Origin fresh and maybe in better form than he is currently.....
 

Ron E. Gibbs

First Grader
Oh, and don't get me started about the Paseka "knock-on" that the replay showed was clearly knocked out by Brisbane that our captain decided NOT to challenge. Even the commentators said it was a one look challenge that Manly would have won. But nothing, not a damn thing.
Yeah, I'm still angry about that. Bad call to begin with, but that's what the Captain's Challenge is for. Paseka knew it was a bad call but nobody was interested in challenging it. DCE was nowhere to be found.

The only explanation I can come up with (apart from a total leadership vacuum) is that we've been dudded so often we just assume we're not going to win a challenge regardless of its merits. Either that or we were saving it up for something better…
 

HoldenV8

Journey Man
Chez had absolutely no interest in making that Captain's Challenge despite it being one of the most clear cut decisions the bunker could ever hope to make (only absolute total and inexcusable incompetence would have seen the bunker give the ball to Brisbane). The only saving grace out of it was that they didn't score. They got a 6 again and forced a dropout in the next set, but thankfully their scoring was done until the field goal.....
 
Turbo ain't a 5/8th.

Firstly, he is too large.

Secondly, he doesn't have the best passing game.

Thirdly, his kicking game is quite bad.
Tom has showed subtle signs of ball play from right to left that will be adequate enough to be a facilitator for structured play, remember DCE and Brooks are still in my setup kicking wise.

His size and speed will keep defenders tight on him allowing more open dangerous passing options to his outside.

Do i want Tom as a 5/8 no, but i see more options having him in a centre 5/8 mixed role bringing Tolu in from the back than having Tolu locked in at centre and less able to float around using his light footwork and speed.

Sure you could give Tolu license to float around as a centre but that runs the risk of losing structure on the left when he is out of position but that is also doable.

Many 5/8's have average kicking games that get by, sure it is not the best scenario to have but short term it will work until DCE leaves.

The problem is you have Tom always injured and when playing is being easily read by defences due to his big involvement in our plays and Tolu locked in and easily marked as a centre---so our two best attacking weapons are not fully utilized or being nullified, also the mobility of our forwards hasn't been crash hot for over a decade to play up tempo long enough to create opportunities.

Sure it would be preferable Manly generate more consistent reliable go forward that is a mix of early spreads and conventional up the middle high tempo play so we have a mix of substance and flair to call on before changing positions but looking into the future is necessary also to mix things up.

Will Tom want to stick around playing as a boring centre, if so then that opens up a new halves combination in the future also, but i feel Tom will want more involvement than that.

Will Tolu stick around languishing in the centres if he enjoys the involvement of floating in from the back, other teams will see his potential and be sniffing around making promises and contracts mean nothing these days.

Our forward pack has too many old faces and plodder/grinding players to offer reliable go forward and strong defensive efforts week after week so there will always be inconsistency in this department with the current makeup.
 

KNUCKLES

Bencher
Tom has showed subtle signs of ball play from right to left that will be adequate enough to be a facilitator for structured play, remember DCE and Brooks are still in my setup kicking wise.

His size and speed will keep defenders tight on him allowing more open dangerous passing options to his outside.

Do i want Tom as a 5/8 no, but i see more options having him in a centre 5/8 mixed role bringing Tolu in from the back than having Tolu locked in at centre and less able to float around using his light footwork and speed.

Sure you could give Tolu license to float around as a centre but that runs the risk of losing structure on the left when he is out of position but that is also doable.

Many 5/8's have average kicking games that get by, sure it is not the best scenario to have but short term it will work until DCE leaves.

The problem is you have Tom always injured and when playing is being easily read by defences due to his big involvement in our plays and Tolu locked in and easily marked as a centre---so our two best attacking weapons are not fully utilized or being nullified, also the mobility of our forwards hasn't been crash hot for over a decade to play up tempo long enough to create opportunities.

Sure it would be preferable Manly generate more consistent reliable go forward that is a mix of early spreads and conventional up the middle high tempo play so we have a mix of substance and flair to call on before changing positions but looking into the future is necessary also to mix things up.

Will Tom want to stick around playing as a boring centre, if so then that opens up a new halves combination in the future also, but i feel Tom will want more involvement than that.

Will Tolu stick around languishing in the centres if he enjoys the involvement of floating in from the back, other teams will see his potential and be sniffing around making promises and contracts mean nothing these days.

Our forward pack has too many old faces and plodder/grinding players to offer reliable go forward and strong defensive efforts week after week so there will always be inconsistency in this department with the current makeup.
However we look at it as a club.. we cannot keep making way for certain players. The players must do what's best for the team. If they want to leave because they aren't getting their way or their preferred position when not viable to team makeup, then either 1. Refuse to release them and play them where the coach wants them too or 2. Give them a release if they wish and replace them with players who want to be here. Turbo included
 
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jbb/james

First Grader
Premium Member
Tipping Member
I think our forwards for years have been the same. We had been collecting so many planks i thought we were going to build an Ark

But as we have continued this uneven squad balance in terms of mobility, we have also tried to play a style of footy in direct contrast to the cattle assembled. Over and over

the lack of mobility and lack of footy IQ together is a killer. When we start well and its good for the forwards we invariably let the opposition off the canvas too easily playing like millionaires, rather than smashing the oppostion mentally with our foot on the throat. DO We even have a FOOT
 

EOL now nesting on the GC

Official NRL commentator of the UK Royal Family
Premium Member
Tipping Member
Coach is rubbish that is established but what has DCE delivered us over the last decade for a million dollar player?
Tell you what. Do a whip around all the past and present coaches in the NRL since 2010 and ask them if they would have had DCE in their side as an upgrade? Other that perhaps Bellyache and Trent Robinson or Bennett I bet you 80% of the others would say yes please.
That to me says we are lucky to have a top half.
 
However we look at it as a club.. we cannot keep making way for certain players. The players must do what's best for the team. If they want to leave because they aren't getting their way or their preferred position when not viable to team makeup, then either 1. Refuse to release them and play them where the coach wants them too or 2. Give them a release if they wish and replace them with players who want to be here. Turbo included
That works when you have the best coach or future best coach in the game and a quality supply of talent created from a feeder system that knows how to develop talent, spot talent and train up talent to slip into a system that is proven to be already successful.

1) Do you see any of the above presently?
2 Does Manly have the patience to allow a coach time to develop the above?

A middle ground team makes middle ground sacrifices and perpetually finishes middle of the road or occasionally makes a top 4 position but lacking any real substance.

You can talk tough and say "how things should be" or "dictate to the players how it will be" but you have to build up the systems and talent pool so you can have a Plan B or at least dictate with confidence and players taking you seriously.

I do feel this last two games someone has had a strong word to DCE as his game day mannerisms and enthusiasm looks a little subdued(even a little disinterested), playing more conservatively and taking a step back.(or could just be playing to the wet slippery or duey conditions in both games)

Not saying his performances are better as a result because he is playing average at best with pockets of time effectiveness but hopefully the team can grind away a string of wins on the trot which Tom and DCE can play off the back of in the back third of the season to offer some hope and excitement for the fans into the semi's.
 

DieHardManlyFan

Reserve Grader
Chez finally took a back seat and played a game to allow the others around him to shine. A big reason as to why we won that game was due to his leadership and positional play in the last 20 minutes, something he is notoriously bad at. Let’s hope this is the game we look back on as the day Chez owned his spot as best halfback in the game.
 

Nike

Reserve Grader
Cherry is the best half again for this week but if you're reading this Chez, you know what we'll be saying about you if we lose a single game before lifting the NRL Premiership trophy on that first week of October - this also coincides with my birthday, no pressure though mate.

The worst best, best worst, half-full, halfback in the NRL... maybe even history! You did a mad backflip few years ago though so we'll banter and talk ****, but as if we were all just a bunch of close mates.
 

Jay Eagle

Reserve Grader
When he's in first class company he really looks good.
If DCE played for Melbourne, Penrith or the Roosters over the last 15 seasons he would have won at least 5 premierships and be in the mix as an immortal in 10 years time.. seriously I can't believe people on this forum thinking we would be better off without him.. when really he would be better off without us... hahaha
 

Eagle 1

First Grader
If DCE played for Melbourne, Penrith or the Roosters over the last 15 seasons he would have won at least 5 premierships and be in the mix as an immortal in 10 years time.. seriously I can't believe people on this forum thinking we would be better off without him.. when really he would be better off without us... hahaha
Thats a fair comment.
 

Ashton Davis

Reserve Grader
DCE has never been the problem. Rugby League is the definition of a team sport and if everyone in the team isn’t pulling towards a win then you are just not going to come out on top.

DCE was an absolute star the entire time with the team he played with under Hasler (the first time) and then Toovey. He’s an absolute star with QLD. Captained them to a couple of series wins when NSW looked far better on paper and now he is enjoying a period now where NSW don’t appear larger on paper.

He will most likely retire with 1 premiership to his name. Was hard done by not to have a 2nd in 2013 when he was the player most willing us to it at the time. If you ask me why he hasn’t had more, I will point you to the ****en current club owner
 

MadMarcus

Toovey for NRL CEO
If DCE played for Melbourne, Penrith or the Roosters over the last 15 seasons he would have won at least 5 premierships and be in the mix as an immortal in 10 years time.. seriously I can't believe people on this forum thinking we would be better off without him.. when really he would be better off without us... hahaha
Interesting take… never thought of it that way… can’t say it’s wrong, but I can’t say it’s right either…
 

HoldenV8

Journey Man
You know something?? If Qld didn't have a history of pick and stick ... and if he wasn't the team captain ... if I was Billy Slater I would be seriously thinking about Sam Walker at halfback instead of DCE right now.

One is in very good form. One is not.

On the other side of the coin, maybe getting away from the team for a few weeks to be surrounded by well, better players, will do DCE some good?? Come back from Origin fresh and maybe in better form than he is currently.....

@MadMarcus ... at the time I said that DCE was playing like $hit. He'd just been done by halfbacks who had 5 minutes work experience in comparison to him.

He was great for Qld tonight, no arguments whatsoever. I just hope he puts in the same performance in his real job for Manly.
 

frank stokes

I discriminate indiscriminately
DCE has never been the problem. Rugby League is the definition of a team sport and if everyone in the team isn’t pulling towards a win then you are just not going to come out on top.

DCE was an absolute star the entire time with the team he played with under Hasler (the first time) and then Toovey. He’s an absolute star with QLD. Captained them to a couple of series wins when NSW looked far better on paper and now he is enjoying a period now where NSW don’t appear larger on paper.

He will most likely retire with 1 premiership to his name. Was hard done by not to have a 2nd in 2013 when he was the player most willing us to it at the time. If you ask me why he hasn’t had more, I will point you to the ****en current club owner
Stop talking sense…
 

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