Coach Seibold thoughts so far.... so good

[HoldenV8]

Sieb's reminds me of past Qld Reds coaches,....old school passive, complete with leather patches on the elbows.

You'd have thought the Broncos old boys would have absolutely loved that.

But then, they had too long under Clint's body double. Most of them only remember Artie as a coach and commentator and not a player.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Seibs has done plenty right at manly. But our defense is still custard. We need a little more speed in the forwards.

And **** Turtle off.

You're dreaming mate. Siebs is horrible, his tactical nous is non existent,our defence is water not custard, and our recruitment of old weary forwards is a tragedy.

 

[Rafferty]

Hmmmm you still can't answer the question.

Just what did you expect Seibold to say??

I answered the question in my original post and then posted it again mate, go back and try and understand.

Just to help you out, the last thing he should of said is we see ourselves as a top 4 side, as I said that was a little cringe worthy, given our current circumstances, I’ve given you an answer to your question, it’s the example I’ve already given you twice, he could of answered any number of ways, but for the third time, he could of said something like ”every side wants to be a top 4 side, that’s the goal, that’s what we turn up striving to achieve.”

On a separate note, Ciro’s presser tonight, he was asked about the Dogs being the form side of the comp, he played it down and said something along the lines of no no no, we have a lot of work to do, no mention of being a top 4 side, or the form side of the comp, that’s how you keep your players grounded and willing to work harder, searching to become better. Unlike our house where the group keeps hearing their in a premiership window, they’re a top 4 side, while the fact remains we struggle to even put back to back wins together.

There were plenty of other ways Seibs could have answered the question that would have still been positive, for me, it sends the wrong message and made him look a little stupid under the circumstances. I hope that’s cleared it up for you.

 

[Thewestisbest]

I answered the question in my original post and then posted it again mate, go back and try and understand.

Just to help you out, the last thing he should of said is we see ourselves as a top 4 side, as I said that was a little cringe worthy, given our current circumstances, I’ve given you an answer to your question, it’s the example I’ve already given you twice, he could of answered any number of ways, but for the third time, he could of said something like ”every side wants to be a top 4 side, that’s the goal, that’s what we turn up striving to achieve.”

On a separate note, Ciro’s presser tonight, he was asked about the Dogs being the form side of the comp, he played it down and said something along the lines of no no no, we have a lot of work to do, no mention of being a top 4 side, or the form side of the comp, that’s how you keep your players grounded and willing to work harder, searching to become better. Unlike our house where the group keeps hearing their in a premiership window, they’re a top 4 side, while the fact remains we struggle to even put back to back wins together.

There were plenty of other ways Seibs could have answered the question that would have still been positive, for me, it sends the wrong message and made him look a little stupid under the circumstances. I hope that’s cleared it up for you.

Ciro is everything Siebold isn't. He is exactly what this joint needs.

 

[Brookie1973]

You have too much free time

Alas, ‘tis true.

 

[mickqld]

Possibly bottom 4 by Monday night. Anyone want to defend that this bloke seriously cannot fuking coach. Barrett version II.

 

[Damien2812]

For me, it doesn't matter who coaches Manly if the club persists with the same players and recruitment strategy. Until the joint gets a massive "cleanout" and the right players get brought in, it will be much of the same into the future.

 

[Phobia]

Possibly bottom 4 by Monday night. Anyone want to defend that this bloke seriously cannot fuking coach. Barrett version II.

Still early days. Seasons can turn around, and we certainly can. In 2021, we looked like spoon certainties, a lot worse than we currently do. We made the Top 4, after Turbo returned. Unless Turbo gets a season ending injury I'm not writing us off.

Also, imagine if Nathan Cleary did what DCE did? That would probably affect them in the same way. Or Hughes at the Storm. This derailing would happen to probably every team.

 

[Brookie1973]

Possibly bottom 4 by Monday night. Anyone want to defend that this bloke seriously cannot fuking coach. Barrett version II.

He will still have his defenders on here.

 

[Nordburg]

Still early days. Seasons can turn around, and we certainly can. In 2021, we looked like spoon certainties, a lot worse than we currently do. We made the Top 4, after Turbo returned. Unless Turbo gets a season ending injury I'm not writing us off.

Also, imagine if Nathan Cleary did what DCE did? That would probably affect them in the same way. Or Hughes at the Storm. This derailing would happen to probably every team.

Not sure the relevance of the Nathan Cleary reference because it didn’t happen to Penrith,it’s happened to Manly because of their incompetence in the important areas of a football club.Penrith are now run correctly so it wouldn’t happen there

 

[Thewestisbest]

Still early days. Seasons can turn around, and we certainly can. In 2021, we looked like spoon certainties, a lot worse than we currently do. We made the Top 4, after Turbo returned. Unless Turbo gets a season ending injury I'm not writing us off.

Also, imagine if Nathan Cleary did what DCE did? That would probably affect them in the same way. Or Hughes at the Storm. This derailing would happen to probably every team.

It happened to Penrith with Jerome Luai last year.That was an ongoing media circus and Penrith went on to win the comp. In fact Penrith have had to deal with Chricton, Kikau, Api, Burton, Turuvs, Luai, Fisher Harris, Capewell and many others announcing they were leaving the club to play elsewhere. Penrith get on with it.

Manly fans either complain in demanding more or make excuses.

 

[Thewestisbest]

For me, it doesn't matter who coaches Manly if the club persists with the same players and recruitment strategy. Until the joint gets a massive "cleanout" and the right players get brought in, it will be much of the same into the future.

Good coaches attract good players.

 

[BOZO]

It happened to Penrith with Jerome Luai last year.That was an ongoing media circus and Penrith went on to win the comp. In fact Penrith have had to deal with Chricton, Kikau, Api, Burton, Turuvs, Luai, Fisher Harris, Capewell and many others announcing they were leaving the club to play elsewhere. Penrith get on with it.

Manly fans either complain in demanding more or make excuses.

Bingo !
Complaining and Excuses get you no where
Only People that are Capable of finding Solutions Solve issues Get on with it .

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Unless things improve dramatically and quickly I can’t see Seibold coaching us in 2026. Time to move away from the model focussing on older experienced players at the twilight of their careers. The game is not rocket science notbut simply about overwhelming your opposition by doing things quickly with good execution. You run your opposition pack off their feet by playing direct and coming wave after wave. Our pack is too old and too slow to do that.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Unless things improve dramatically and quickly I can’t see Seibold coaching us in 2026. Time to move away from the model focussing on older experienced players at the twilight of their careers.

No way Penn will fork out $ to pay out another coach yet (unless he disrespects him, like des did. remember he didn't even sack Trent, Trent quit!)
And the old players aren't a model so much as a short term strategy caused by inherited cap constraints (well documented) and the need for immediate results (at least the need to show an upward trajectory).
Sadly I think we're going to have to be patient.

 

[manly al]

Think that injuries and not being able to field the best forward pack on a regular basis is definitely affecting Manly 's performance level
.Particularly losing Paseka and can have some indifferent form but Aloiai with his reasonable leg drive , can be a plus if he is on his game and relatively injury free .
No doubt a case for building pressure but still not keen on those still often one off plays on the 3 rd or even 4 th plays on some occasions .
Have both D C E and Brooks doing the clearance or attacking kicks now so should "t make much difference which side of the ruck the play goes

 

[mickqld]

Not a single Manly forward in the top 50 list for offloads. Does this coach not think that offloads and 2nd phase play is important. Clueless in tactics and game plans and has been since he came here. Our whole game plan revolves around outscoring the opposition through Haumole and Turbo. While 50% of our game plan sits on the sideline the coach has no other ideas. Shows in the constant headless chook captain plays.

 

[Jethro]

What was the line he had a year or so ago about “separating us from the pack” ie become a top 4 team instead of a bottom of the 8 team. That might be fine as an objective, but the problem is it is not actionable by the players. How is that meant to assist the team in getting wins? What he should be saying is something like “we need to work on the 1%ers” or “we need to structure our attacking options to take the focus of Tom” etc. Things that the team can take away and apply. How do you expect players to apply “break away from the pack”? It’s classic new age management mumbo jumbo.

More like:
"we need to cut out all of our negative play (our errors, giving away penalties, and giving away set restarts) and learn to, and really try to, tighten up our defence to stop the opposition from scoring points".

 

[Jethro]

How many of these players, when picked to play by Seibold, actually get to play in their hired positions?

Backs

Name	Position
Jason Saab	Winger
Raymond Tuaimalo Vaega	Winger
Reuben Garrick	Winger
Aaron Schoupp	Centre
Tolutau Koula	Centre
Tommy Talau	Centre
Daly Cherry-Evans	Halfback
Jake Arthur	Halfback
Joey Walsh	Halfback

Luke Brooks	Five-Eighth
Clayton Faulalo	Fullback
Lehi Hopoate	Fullback
Tom Trbojevic	Fullback

Forwards

Name	Position
Josh Aloiai	Prop
Siosiua Taukeiaho	Prop
Taniela Paseka	Prop
Toafofoa Sipley	Prop
Gordon Chan Kum Tong	Hooker
Jake Simpkin	Hooker
Lachlan Croker	Hooker
Ben Trbojevic	2nd Row
Corey Waddell	2nd Row

Dean Matterson	2nd Row
Ethan Bullemor	2nd Row
Haumole Olakau'atu	2nd Row
Michael Chee Kam	2nd Row
Aitasi James	Lock
Jake Trbojevic	Lock
Jazz Tevaga	Lock
Nathan Brown	Lock

Teams

2021 Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles NRL Telstra Premiership squad, Sea Eagles players, Canterbury Cup NSW squad.

www.seaeagles.com.au

 

[Wombat64]

Reckon Seibold is a **** coach? Trent Barrett says hold me beer .....