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SeaEagleRock8

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Religion has been done to death around here, and more than once, but it's an oldie and a goodie so threads and comments will continue to pop up, and rightly so.

Meanwhile, for a current issue for the world in this day and age, who is a believer and who is a denier?
Think of it like a grand final prediction, after about late July- early August. In other words, in my opinion there is ample evidence on which to make your pick.

At the end of the season/year/world we will all know who was right, but don't be shy to pipe up!

To kick it off, I'll volunteer my opinion which is Duh, of course! Man-made factors are causing the current dramatic rate of climate change, with disastrous effect. I'm sure you all agree :)
 

Batty

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Aahhhh the off-season....

The climate on earth has changed for 4.5 billion years... long before our two cents was thrown in. The planet has seen both hotter and colder cyclical temperature spikes well beyond their current levels.

I’m not denying that we have added to the changing climate but I would like someone to quantify how much we have changed the already changing climate?

If humans never started burning fossil fuels approx 150yrs ago, what would the climate look like now...? Genuine question as I have always wondered but never heard of how to quantify our affect.
 

manly al

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Unsustainable Global warming and temperature thresholds that if unabated could then drastically change weather patterns seems the bigger concern then any evolving climate change pattern . Very large scale [ or any ] renewable energy and alternative energy sources still seems the key and a lot less current deforestation around the globe will help matters big time also Not just idealistic suggestions and very doable and the unfortunate reality is that some countries are more focused on political considerations then humanitarian priorities [ and i certainly do not identify with general Green politics , just human and animal and vegetation future preservation ]
 

midsteyne

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It was just as hot in the summer of 57 100deg, for the entire school holds it seemed.
Summer of 69,Tassie burned, I was a Firefighter at Richmond RAAF Base and was deployed to the Leura fires, just to mention a couple of things.
Solar flares don't help.
Climate change is a cycle.
 

MuzztheEagle

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I believe you will quickly find that Climate change is a new religion .....
I think that's the intention and hope of this thread anyway :p

It was just as hot in the summer of 57 100deg, for the entire school holds it seemed.
Summer of 69,Tassie burned, I was a Firefighter at Richmond RAAF Base and was deployed to the Leura fires, just to mention a couple of things.
Solar flares don't help.
Climate change is a cycle.
Solar flares do not have any impact on temperature. However it is likely that longer term fluctuations can e.g Maunder Minimum - Wikipedia
One of the main factors is the Earth's orbit around the Sun - which can give a cyclic nature to the idea of climate change (I'm talking about milankovitch cycles rather than seasons here). But this can and is taken into consideration when climate scientists are looking at data and models.
And yes, this does show that climate can be linked to external factors. But we can also see from research and evidence that CO2 levels and temperature have a definite correlation. We also know that CO2 levels and the rate at which the level increases has been rising since the industrial revolution. Climate science is incredibly complex and we may not know the entire story or what the final outcome would be - but isn't that reason enough to show caution?

To be honest, what pisses me off the most right now is the knee-jerk reaction from people along with the marketing that companies are now using to exploit the reaction. E.g. I will buy a new electric car so that I can help save the planet but completely ignoring the fact that the energy and resources used to create that car can do more damage than getting the most of your existing one. Or, I'm going to put a butt-load of solar panels on my roof (with significant environmental cost to produce) without any consideration of simply reducing power consumption.
 
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