Clean out the place! Who stays who goes...

Be more concerned about the administration of the club than the players you release because at the present time, this once mighty club ranks quite low on being an organisation to attract talent.

And by talent, I mean the RETENTION of quality juniors coupled with the need to reinforce said talent with experienced players from clubs who have enjoyed success.

I provided some commentary regarding Albert Hopoate and I'll add to that and say they younger talent at the club are not feeling or finding a pathway that provides them with comfort that their livelihood will improve at this club.

I'm not talking about holding the club to ransom with respect to their monetary gain but each of these players have managers who assess the liquidity and malleability of a playing roster and, the Club, has managed that poorly and continues to approach such delicate matters with a "she'll be right mate" attitude.

There have been numerous comments regarding the remuneration of player X and player Y, those decisions are made and their effects continue many years ahead HOWEVER when a club steadfastly refuses to outline a plan for on field success, well you might as well put up the white flag because you'll attract the talent we see now.

We don't need to do the micro details or thinking of each internal decision made by the Club, but if you can't sell yourself or proclaim to your fans why their expectations can't be met, then as we become more fragmented in our support, you'd be crazy to think players don't read, share or openly discuss the problems with our club.

We don't have the "pull" in the representative teams to "entice" the younger players to our club, we don't have the "pull" with the managers who are now stronger than ever, two or three especially so and the saddest part of all, our Owners can not seem to understand that this is 2020, not 1920 and accountability starts with opening dialogue with the members of your club, the fans of your club and showing the broader community, that you give a F about the misery we are going through.

As a passionate fan, the fish rots from the head and no amount of "friendly journalists" will help you now, why, because the player of today, the player of tomorrow doesn't care what's written in the paper, they care are about success, winning, providing for their future AND oddly enough, life after football.

And believe me, we aren't even close to offering any one of those "pathways".

Unless someone inside this club or collectively the club itself makes some really hard decisions, what we witnessed tonight is the manifestation of prolonged neglect in the structure of our Club.

No one player can change that, no matter how bad his hamstrings are.
Some really points.

Though regarding the pathways system it is the strongest I have seen in over a decade.

I personally don’t think Des is the coach to oversee the development of these players.

With Sean so distant from the club I can understand your points, most things you can manage with video calls etc, but the feel of the place and the attitude you need to be present as the leader of the club.

My thought is Des could take a administration role at the club and assist a coach.
 
The pathways issue is a vexed one; whilst it has improved and is much better than before, other clubs continually develop and just pull that little bit ahead on that front.

Des is a great coach however the aura that he once commanded is no longer there and these defeats do nothing to increase or even keep that aura.

Many people will scoff at my comment however, 82.2% of the current NRL playing roster have not been coached by either Trent Robinson or Craig Bellamy yet in public AND private polling, those two coaches rank 1 and 2 in coaches seen as being able to "attract, foster and develop" a NRL players ' game.

We have a coach who didn't rank higher than 9th, of the 7 below him, 4 have been sacked and 1 more than likely will be.
 
The pathways issue is a vexed one; whilst it has improved and is much better than before, other clubs continually develop and just pull that little bit ahead on that front.

Des is a great coach however the aura that he once commanded is no longer there and these defeats do nothing to increase or even keep that aura.

Many people will scoff at my comment however, 82.2% of the current NRL playing roster have not been coached by either Trent Robinson or Craig Bellamy yet in public AND private polling, those two coaches rank 1 and 2 in coaches seen as being able to "attract, foster and develop" a NRL players ' game.

We have a coach who didn't rank higher than 9th, of the 7 below him, 4 have been sacked and 1 more than likely will be.
From the talent we have generated and are in the process of generating I thought that 2020 /2021 we were in a chance of a premiership.

From what I have seen there is a massive disconnect between Des and the clubs philosophy of using junior talent for our continued successes.

You have highlighted the percentages above that has actually come to fruition this season, our coach is not the one for fostering our current philosophy.

A major disappointment and one hopes we can attract someone to give our pathways system a good chance of succeeding for the sustainability of club.
 
Need a coach who is prepared to hold players accountable... Madge wouldn't have put up with this sh*t - and b4 you take shots at him he is doing a damn sight better than Des with less "stars" in his Tigpies team...

miss tackles = get dropped... want back in? Earn it... we have a bunch of players who are way too comfortable with their lot atm...
Totally Agree. What it really shows is, just may be, even Des's position needs to be under review.
 
I believe the Club should have a good long hard look at themselves, in the same way Clark Hunt did with the Kansas City Chiefs after he turfed out Scott Pioli and John Dorsey, although the latter built up some success with Andy Reid (they spent time together at Green Bay).

During the reign of Pioli, things were the bad that disgruntled fans started a Save Our Chiefs movement; perhaps we need to think about starting one for our club too.
 
I'd imagine we have zero money.

Maybe something from Thommo going. And if true Walker. I doubt they will cut Elliott.

We already need a decent hooker and if Foran is coming we might get a centre/winger from outside of a teams top 17.

 
Obviously there is are some catastrophic problems for the players to perform like that. There is absolutely no team harmony and bond. These guys do not wan't to do what they know is required. Who or what is causing it? Someone or something is, I guarantee it. It feels like how we played under that pretender Barrett, although this time it is under the highly credentialed Hasler. Hasler wasn't here last time. Is DCE causing disharmony? Again? Is he toxic? Is it Des? Nobody else has the pull to cause it.
 
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I had this in my own thread (i've changed it now quite a lot as usual), I love YARTS when we have a lot of problems to fix so will just post it here as well. I'd offer DCE ultimatum to drop his salary for the team or walk (some other team will jump at him). Great player and would like to keep him but only if it works out for the team.

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.
 
I had this in my own thread (i've changed it now quite a lot as usual), I love YARTS when we have a lot of problems to fix so will just post it here as well. I'd offer DCE ultimatum to drop his salary for the team or walk (some other team will jump at him). Great player and would like to keep him but only if it works out for the team.

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.
Love to see the creativity barring Turbo at FB. We all Love Tom, but if we are honest, he has been the poorest value and biggest disappointment of our team. This last couple of seasons he has started rising to levels we were all excited about, watching his potential through the ranks... but, the injuries are serious and real. And we have sunk so much dependance on him as a team that now we are in a world of hurt. At least you have Hoppa there in the team who could potentially cover for Turbo, but I've just lost faith that Tom will ever live up to the dizzying heights we know he is/was capable of
 
Love to see the creativity barring Turbo at FB. We all Love Tom, but if we are honest, he has been the poorest value and biggest disappointment of our team. This last couple of seasons he has started rising to levels we were all excited about, watching his potential through the ranks... but, the injuries are serious and real. And we have sunk so much dependance on him as a team that now we are in a world of hurt. At least you have Hoppa there in the team who could potentially cover for Turbo, but I've just lost faith that Tom will ever live up to the dizzying heights we know he is/was capable of
The "dependence we have sunk" on DCE, Tom and Jake, with the money we can muster, is absolutely amateurish. Who are the morons in charge of our finances? FMD, it's fantasy-believing shlt. Let's spend 30% of our total budget on a proven mercenary HB that has no game-management ability, an outstanding FB who plays 1/4 of the year and pay his brother around 40% overs so he will sign. Whoever is in control of this shlt are either on drugs, or they should be. Fuki'n morons.
There is a SERIOUS problem in the ranks for them to put up this kind of showing and it would not surprise me one little bit if it's about financial inequality. We won't win shlt while spending 1/3 of our money on 3 players who don't come within a stratosphere of pulling their own weight. Why would any guy in our squad on 150-300K give a fark when our million dollar heroes contribute fark all?


I think i'm done with it...it ain't worth it.
 
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1 Reuben Garrick - 2nd year ****, needs to play only wing. Stays... just

2 Jorge Taufua - see ya!

3 Brad Parker - Offers not much, see ya!

4 Moses Suli - lazy, doesn’t have a football brain, see ya!

5 Tevita Funa - not convinced, see ya!

6 Cade Cust - stays


7 Daly Cherry-Evans (c) - take a pay cut to help this team out or **** off because you ain’t consistent enough to be on that $$$

8 Taniela Paseka - stays but grow some aggression

9 Danny Levi - dog ****, see ya!

21 Addin Fonua-Blake- stays

15 Corey Waddell - see ya

12 Curtis Sironen - see ya

13 Jake Trbojevic - stays but lift ya game and stop giving away 6 agains

Interchange
14 Lachlan Croker - wow, how is he even in this side, see ya

20 Jack Gosiewski - see ya!!!!!

16 Sean Keppie - can stay for now.... just

10 Martin Taupau - stays

Des Hasler - either change your stubborn ways or ** off, the game isn’t what it used to be, so adapt to it or ** off
I can't entertain the thought of Reuben Garrick playing even 1 more game for this club. He is slow, always out of position, tries to solve defensive problems himself time after time and a low percentage goal kicker.....if you get sacked by saints you know you're no good.
 
I had this in my own thread (i've changed it now quite a lot as usual), I love YARTS when we have a lot of problems to fix so will just post it here as well. I'd offer DCE ultimatum to drop his salary for the team or walk (some other team will jump at him). Great player and would like to keep him but only if it works out for the team.

2021
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Albert Hopoate
3. Katoni Staggs *
4. Moses Suli (last chance, absolute beast but invisible)
5. Tevita Funa
6. Joshua Schuster/Cust
7. Keiran Foran (300K, Cust as backup waiting in the wings) *
8. Addin Fonua-Blake
9. Sam Verrills
10. Jake Trbojevic
11. Haumole Olakautau
12. Curtis Sironen or signing w/ Siro to bench
13. Christian Welch
INTERCHANGE
14. Cade Cust/Schuster
15. Sean Keppie
16. Taniela Paseka (really encouraging lately, developing footwork and drive)
17. Zac Saddler (grubby youth needed)
Reserves: 2 or so new signings + Parker, Sipley, Boyle, Gosie etc.

INS: ~ $2.1million [Foran, Katoni Staggs, Christian Welch, Sam Verrills + ~500K-1M leftover]
OUTS: ~ $3million [DCE, Walker, Waddell, Croker, Thompson, Taufua, Taupau (imo past it/stale, 700-750K)]

Re: Foran
Only 300K, has played 11/14 this year and Schuster/Cust can form a halves pairing if he ever gets injured to give us glimpse of the future, IMO worth it for mentoring alone, let alone his ability.
No club is going to pay DCE wage. Not even the Dogs would be that stupid or desperate to pay that much for him.
 
13 afb big minutes
12 jake becomes gifty type
11 haumole
10 paseka
9 fainu or new hooker
10 marty

14 Levi or new hooker
15 schuster spells afb
16 keppie
17 sipley

1 turbo
2 hoppa
3 suli
4 stags
5 stains or similar
6 cust
7 dce (32 next year)

Gone or reserves everyone else.
 

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