[Resurrected] Captain's challenge 'loophole' to be reviewed.

[eaglebuzz]

The bunker can't rule on it from video too inconclusive,( or read smells like bull$hit) apparently the Howlers we see, particularly to first receiver, are figments of our mass imagination, driven by an hysterical need to win

Some passes look forward because the player is running at speed then gets stopped by a tackler, makes the ball look like it is drifting forward even though it left the hands backwards. I think that's why they were toying with the idea of putting chips in the balls to help track trajectories.

 

[Eagles4Life]

The first action of the end-of-season review should be the sacking of Peranara.

I read this at first as the sacking of Parramatta. I wasn't sure exactly what that meant @wombatgc but I am in favor of it anyway.

 

[40 years an eagle]

Some passes look forward because the player is running at speed then gets stopped by a tackler, makes the ball look like it is drifting forward even though it left the hands backwards. I think that's why they were toying with the idea of putting chips in the balls to help track trajectories.

Agreed, but those are MOSTLY out wide and a pretty good percentage of those are pulled up. BY FAR the most forward passes let go are from dummy half or first receiver...these are the ones that would be good to be able to police.

 

[Waz13]

I can't understand why you can't challenge a forward pass when it is an illegality to begin with, it bugs me big time, there's a plethora of rulings that can be challenged so why not a forward pass?

Agree. I get that the line ball ones if not called would always stick but the howlers they miss each game are easily detected.

 

[QLDSeaeagle]

Some passes look forward

Because they are FORWARD.

 

[The Who]

Because they are FORWARD.

I understand the physics behind a ball floating forward because of momentum, but forward passes are judged on whether the ball leaves the hands backwards or not. That's not always easy to tell.
Surely an easier way to judge if a pass is forward is whether the receiver was behind the passer. Just use the same methodology when judging whether a player is offside from, say, a kick. The Bunker seems to be able to check quickly if a player is behind the kicker, why not behind (or in line) with the passer?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Surely an easier way to judge if a pass is forward is whether the receiver was behind the passer

Not necesarily. For example, if the receiver is running faster than the passer he could be well behind him when the ball is released forward yet still catch it?

 

[Will on the hill]

I understand the physics behind a ball floating forward because of momentum, but forward passes are judged on whether the ball leaves the hands backwards or not. That's not always easy to tell.
Surely an easier way to judge if a pass is forward is whether the receiver was behind the passer. Just use the same methodology when judging whether a player is offside from, say, a kick. The Bunker seems to be able to check quickly if a player is behind the kicker, why not behind (or in line) with the passer?

Players would lob a high pass over the defensive line and players would run onto it without the defense being able to impede them. They'd need to add restrictions around passing height and passing over the defensive line.

 

[StuBoot]

BY FAR the most forward passes let go are from dummy half or first receiver...these are the ones that would be good to be able to police.

These are the ones that $h!t me the most. The touchie/s should be in line with the play the ball so how hard is it?
The dummy half is stationary so momentum doesn't come into it, how hard is it?

Interesting that the refs/touchies can see if a player has jumped early from the defensive line but can't see if the dummy half throws it forward, how hard is it?

 

[40 years an eagle]

These are the ones that $h!t me the most. The touchie/s should be in line with the play the ball so how hard is it?
The dummy half is stationary so momentum doesn't come into it, how hard is it?

Interesting that the refs/touchies can see if a player has jumped early from the defensive line but can't see if the dummy half throws it forward, how hard is it?

Totally agree mate. Is the problem that the touchies stand in line with the ref and defensive line and not the play-the-ball? I honestly haven't noticed and will check tonite. Surely eyes on t the guy who throws far more passes than anyone else is important.

 

[mickqld]

I would've expected that piece of sleight of hand to come out of that slime Bellamy. Very surprised that any Parra player had enough brains to think of that loophole but then again he is a Manly product.

 

[Will on the hill]

Totally agree mate. Is the problem that the touchies stand in line with the ref and defensive line and not the play-the-ball? I honestly haven't noticed and will check tonite. Surely eyes on t the guy who throws far more passes than anyone else is important.

Pretty sure the near side touchie stands inline with the ruck and the far side touchie monitors the 10, not that they ever really do much.

 

[eaglebuzz]

Because they are FORWARD.

Worth watching this if you haven't seen it.

 

[mickqld]

Let's not forget that the captains challenge in 2021 will not stop what the Dogs and Josh Reynolds did to Manly to stop us winning the 2014 semi-final. Can't challenge a referee allowing an offside player to interfere with a field goal attempt. This should have also been a penalty for diving into the kicker's legs anyway.

If anyone was feeling sorry for that lot then watch that robbery. I hope we put 70 on the pricks.

 

[Frogz]

I find it amazing that they cant adjudicate on a forward pass, but they can tell if a ball was knocked on. Sometimes it's the same same but different

 

[StuBoot]

Totally agree mate. Is the problem that the touchies stand in line with the ref and defensive line and not the play-the-ball? I honestly haven't noticed and will check tonite. Surely eyes on t the guy who throws far more passes than anyone else is important.

And that's the thing, it's not like they don't know this.
The refs have their tip sheets regarding certain players and teams so why not the same for dummy halfs?
As you say, they handle the ball more than any other player so control the start of each tackle, the most important pass but nothing to see here.

 

[globaleagle]

This was mentioned recently, but I can't remember where so I'm plonking it in here.

The powers at be wanted to stop players deliberately causing a break in play so they could challenge something that the ref missed earlier.
They huffed and puffed and said it was bad form and will close the loophole quickly (I thought).

Fast forward a week or two. Parra v Titans.

• A controversial captain's challenge after Titans halfback Toby Sexton deliberately flopped on Reed Mahoney to concede a penalty in order to seek a review of a missed knock-on by the Eels hooker, changed the momentum of the match.

(-Part of me doesn't mind because that was a Gutho special last year.)

• Another controversial captain's challenge after Patrick Herbert refused to let Mitch Rein get to his feet to try and force a review of an incident in which Dylan Brown held him off the ball led to another try.

This is what Annesley said earlier this week:

NRL head of football Graham Annesley said earlier this week that "a team can't try to create a stoppage in order to challenge something that has previously been missed."

And yet....

 

[Class of 96]

How do they close the loophole? Every team is entitled to one challenge. Gamesmanship happens all over the paddock throughout a game.

 

[globaleagle]

How do they close the loophole? Every team is entitled to one challenge. Gamesmanship happens all over the paddock throughout a game.

I believe it's a simple as something like: If the ref blows the whistle for a penalty, the penalised player's captain can't ask for a challenge for something that happened before (and not because of) the penalty.
It'd fall into the category of 'unchallengeable incidents', or something.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

I believe it's a simple as something like: If the ref blows the whistle for a penalty, the penalised player's captain can't ask for a challenge for something that happened before (and not because of) the penalty.
It'd fall into the category of 'unchallengeable incidents', or something.

Thats way too simple and obvious for the NRL. 100% if you as a player force a stoppage that results in a penalty your team may not have a CC in relation to anything other than the penalty causing infringement.