bones said:
swoop said:
Ryan said:
Now, I'm talking about Toovey as a coach here. I'm talking about his ability to get our side up in big games (stats above).
There is no excuses this weekend. We lose, there are huge issues about our ability to win the games that matter. Season proper is one thing, and I won't complain about that, but geez, we need to get up once and a while in the big ones.
You can't pick and choose stats to push your view but using that analogy what's the excuses for 2009 and 2010?
The Toovey-haters have been asked that question so many times now, and each time they refuse to answer it because they have no comeback to it.
At the end of the day bones, Des Hasler has the runs on the board. He's won many finals as a coach, and he has multiple premierships in a short coaching career.
Toovey is still doing his apprentiship.
I have said it before many times this season, yet people tend to forget the positives I write, and go into a lather about the criticisms (like a five year old telling long term fans to support other clubs etc), but Toovey has many great qualities a no-nothing fan like me appreciates:-
+ Toovey gives young guys a go (Taufua, Trbojevic, Gutherson) as examples.
+ Toovey is great with fan connectivity, and public relations.
+ Toovey is passionate.
+ Toovey is a club legend.
+ Toovey seems to motivate his players and team very well.
+ Toovey is a driver of culture
+ Great season proper (for the most part) results
+ Open, transparent, honest etc
and so on, and so forth.
That being said, since his tenure at Manly, I am unhappy with our ability to win big games, like finals, World Club Challenges, and games against top four teams.
I don't see how that is "bagging" someone. Maybe I am over complicating what I am saying here. How me suggesting that we win more than one in five games against top four teams with our roster translates to Toovey hate is, well, silly.
It really amuses me the levels people will sink, when provided an alternate opinion. The regression into name calling, recommendations that someone support another club etc, well, it's primary school crap (and a little redneck) - and yes, I oft get drawn into the stupidity as well.
Now, I repeat, with our roster, our depth (of which, us as fans should have very high expectations - the players deserve that respect - they have earned it) should mean we win more than 50% of our games against top 4 teams, and more than half our finals in my opinion.
Therefore, yes, I believe our players, who can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime should be doing so given an appropriate game-plan, which in the big games these past two years, we don't seem to have.
So with all his endearing qualities we all love as a club legend, I think Toovey has a ways to go in big games. No hate. No malice. Respect to the guy for taking over such a stressed situation. I just think in this area, we could be better.
Now if that makes me dumb, and idiot, stupid, hateful, spiteful etc in yours and others minds (like a lot of you guys are very vocal about), then there is nothing I can do from here to change that opinion.
Seriously, aren't we mature enough to have an open mind to someone else's opinion these days? Some of the comments above, are almost 2003 like when most of us were passionate little kids. We are above that aren't we? I thought we may have been, but the garbage above.....well......just know that when you guys write it, it doesn't do you any justice.