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Back ended contracts

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Woodsie, Aug 17, 2016.

  1. Woodsie

    Woodsie played strong, done good.

    +9,536 /195
    @Andrew.. I have re-posted this discussion to its own thread because I think it is relevant today with regards to your comments re the Turbo bros upgrades.

    A while ago when somebody was bagging Dessie for leaving us with the burden of a few back ended contracts, I said that I believe that they are a legal and viable strategy.

    If timed properly with the right personnel they allow you a window of several years to construct a team well in excess of the salary cap limit. It may be the only way clubs like us can combat the TPA rich clubs.

    If the result is 1 or 2 premierships, is the inevitable downside of several years in the wilderness worthwhile.
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    • lsz

      lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

      +4,849 /102
      Woodsie do not discount front ended contracts as well. I would suggest there are very few clubs that pay their players an equal amount for each year of their contract (which is why the whole placing value on players is a pointless exercise)
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      • Ben

        Ben Well-Known Member

        +860 /65
        Then the next coach in line during the back ended deal would have to be a sacrificial coach for 3 years until the books balance back out again.
        Tooves really did an outstanding job concidering.
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        • Woodsie

          Woodsie played strong, done good.

          +9,536 /195
          Agree, to be successful you may need a combination of front and rear loading.

          It will be an interesting test of the NRL's player value policy if they allow the current NZ captain and a $1.3 million dollar player to sign for the Warriors on a $200 grand incentive contract.
        • Andrew..

          Andrew.. It's better to burn out, than to fade away. 2017 Tipping Competitor

          +2,535 /31
          I know some get upset over back ended contracts, especially if you fall short in your window of opportunity. So whilst it may sting to be out of finals contention for a couple of years, I wouldn't swap a single thing for those memories and the success we enjoyed.
          Whatever else comes we are carved in the history books. How many others would give anything for that success ?
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          • Ralphie

            Ralphie Well-Known Member Premium Member

            +2,953 /287
            Front or rear loading is perfectly acceptable these days. Who am I to judge.@:blush:
          • manlyfan76

            manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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            A club like the titans who were way under the cap could pay a player like Hayne a big part of their cap for the remainder of 2016, then bugger all in 2017 then more then 1.2 in 2018, thus being both back and front enders.
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            • Fluffy

              Fluffy Well-Known Member

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              They also singed Peats mid season for about 600K per year and Hurrel on big money so must have been 2M under or possibly Toddy has guaranteed some TPA's
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              • StuBoot

                StuBoot Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                I'd say that the Warriors are paying some of Hurrell's dosh still.
                Most mid season releases would have some sort of residual with their former club - it's generally a win-win.
                The new club gets him cheaper than market value and the old club gets rid of a problem.
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                • Class of 96

                  Class of 96 Well-Known Member

                  +1,225 /23
                  And then we have Hoppa Snr, who has a completely different definition of a back-ended contract.
                  Hoppa Snr.jpeg
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                  • The Who

                    The Who Well-Known Member Premium Member

                    +7,252 /173
                    One thing is clear: you should keep some space in the salary cap for mid-seasons transfers where you can pick up some bargain buys. The Titans did it this year, and look like playing finals football with three such purchases.
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