ASADA Going Shark Fishing
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the mauler
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He also had some pretty interesting things to say about the certain player in question. Thank god he's gone. Not our problem anymore.
The Royal Soup
First Grader
the mauler said:
Such as?
Brissie Kid
Bencher
I see in the NFL you get 4 weeks for a positive test result first offence. There were 20 or so of them found in 2012. Has the NFL gone into meltdown with 20 positive doping results? No. Has any team been stripped of a Super Bowl win? No. Is the NFL media in hysterics? No. Sponsors bailing out? Nope. The USA government pressuring the NFL? No. The public? Commentators? No. If no positive test result they don't go after anyone. This is the biggest football sport on the planet & they haven't signed up to WADA's evangelist rubbish.
Look at the Premier League and other FIFA comps. They do nothing except rely on results of tests. They too have told WADA to frack off. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/15/drug-testing-football
Get some balls ARLC, NRL & AFL please.
Look at the Premier League and other FIFA comps. They do nothing except rely on results of tests. They too have told WADA to frack off. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/15/drug-testing-football
Get some balls ARLC, NRL & AFL please.
Masked Eagle
Bencher
the mauler said:
This is why I think we are in the low/medium risk category, (something Dave Perry said after his initial meeting with ASADA). Some players may have continued to see Dank after he left the club, that being said even if they did, they need to have proof of what they were getting from him was illegal. Its not being suggested everything he did was illegal, so its possible that players seeing him when he left the club still done nothing wrong, but would probably face questions about it.
susan said:
Its Gerard Whately. Unfortunately league as a sport doesn't have a journo of his quality. Although its not always good as Caroline Wilson is a regular panelists and the similarities with Rebecca Wilson extend to beyond the same surname. If anything she is more prolific in terms of writing dribble just about every day of the week.
Shoe1
Journey Man
From NRL Media release - Smith:
"In the past 4-5 days we've seen a difficult situation for the Cronulla club, what we have done (is offer support).
" ... I was working with the board extensively last week.
"I think the board acted decisively after an independent review they did. We've put in a CEO, we've put in a fiance person. We've put a person to help with the welfare of the players and the fans and the community."
Fiance LOL
"In the past 4-5 days we've seen a difficult situation for the Cronulla club, what we have done (is offer support).
" ... I was working with the board extensively last week.
"I think the board acted decisively after an independent review they did. We've put in a CEO, we've put in a fiance person. We've put a person to help with the welfare of the players and the fans and the community."
Fiance LOL
Brissie Kid said:
Yep that's the way to go. The NFL clubs employ convicted murderers, rapists, cockfighters, arms dealers and any trash that can catch a football . The average defensive linesman weighs 150kg,offensive linesman 130kg and you don't get a crack as a receiver unless you are a 10 second hundred metre runner . Scores of retired players have long term brain damage from these steroid monoliths colliding, the suicide rate is 6 times the national average and long term health issues from PE drug use is rife.
I spent years in the US.They can have their f...ing gun culture,win at all costs,money is everything approach and jam it up their ass.If you want your kids to play a game ridden with 30 stone freaks go ahead,I and many other Australians don't.
Fairy Bower
Reserve Grader
Here is an interesting piece from Deakin University Law School lecturer Martin Hardie published in Crikey today. Love the headline![/size]
Athletes should heed Chopper's advice: never plead guilty[size=large]
MARTIN HARDIE
Deakin University Law School lecturer
Australian sports people have been offered advice from all sorts of weird and wonderful angles since the infamous "Blackest Day in Australian Sport" media conference in Canberra last month. So here's a bit of home-spun wisdom from Mark "Chopper" Read: never plead guilty.
It's advice politicians Craig Thomson, Peter Slipper and Geoff Shaw seem to have followed to the nth degree. So why not a Cronulla-Sutherland rugby league player, or an Essendon footballer?
Since that press conference, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency and one of its former staffers have conducted a campaign to try to get sports people to confess to something, almost anything. After all, it appears they have little or no evidence, as distinct from the new word on the block -- "intelligence" -- to charge anyone with breaches of the doping code.
The National Rugby League asked ASADA to provide names last Friday so that infraction notices could be issued. ASADA's response was that it was not in a position to do so … yet.
But reading the media reports and the manner in which the case is being handled, one could be excused for thinking there is no doubt the Sharks are drug cheats.
We are told ASADA works quietly in the background and by law cannot release information to the public. But it is clear in this case (as with so many anti-doping cases overseas in the past) the cat is well and truly out of the bag. Former ASADA head Richard Ings himself said the "future of the NRL is under a cloud".
That's great for a TV grab to further incite the situation, but it's hardly the stuff of fact and law. Much of the noise that exists around anti-doping is not based in law or fact -- cycling has been the battleground of trial by media for over a decade. In a number of instances in that sport we have seen athletes condemned, vilified and expelled on the basis of media claims and hysteria. Even when the law does get involved, it's not the kind of law -- with its guarantees of fair procedures and common law rights such as innocent until proven guilty -- we are used to in the rest of society.
Without any evidence provided, ASADA is asking Cronulla players to accept a reduced ban for alleged doping offences. It comes from article 10.5.3 -- "Substantial Assistance in Discovering or Establishing Anti-Doping Rule Violations" -- of the code: when they help anti-doping authorities a ban may be reduced by up to three-quarters.
Ings tells us that in the end the athlete is responsible for what enters his or her body -- the so-called principle of strict liability. All athletes would need to do is ring ASADA and check if they had any doubts as to what they were being administered.
The problem is, as Ings well knows, it isn't that simple. Putting aside athletes' reluctance to go to the police and ask them if something that they may or may not be taking is illegal, in the area of peptides it is nearly impossible for an athlete to know whether the powdered supplements he or she might take are actually on the banned list.
The media reported last week the substances alleged to have been taken by the Sharks did not appear on the WADA prohibited list at the time they were meant to have been taken. This is a significant point that seems to have been missed in the hysteria to hang the Sharks out to dry -- were the substances actually on the prohibited list? Look at the list: Thymosin Beta 4 and CJC-1295 peptides do not appear.
Athletes should heed Chopper's advice: never plead guilty[size=large]
MARTIN HARDIE
Deakin University Law School lecturer
Australian sports people have been offered advice from all sorts of weird and wonderful angles since the infamous "Blackest Day in Australian Sport" media conference in Canberra last month. So here's a bit of home-spun wisdom from Mark "Chopper" Read: never plead guilty.
It's advice politicians Craig Thomson, Peter Slipper and Geoff Shaw seem to have followed to the nth degree. So why not a Cronulla-Sutherland rugby league player, or an Essendon footballer?
Since that press conference, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency and one of its former staffers have conducted a campaign to try to get sports people to confess to something, almost anything. After all, it appears they have little or no evidence, as distinct from the new word on the block -- "intelligence" -- to charge anyone with breaches of the doping code.
The National Rugby League asked ASADA to provide names last Friday so that infraction notices could be issued. ASADA's response was that it was not in a position to do so … yet.
But reading the media reports and the manner in which the case is being handled, one could be excused for thinking there is no doubt the Sharks are drug cheats.
We are told ASADA works quietly in the background and by law cannot release information to the public. But it is clear in this case (as with so many anti-doping cases overseas in the past) the cat is well and truly out of the bag. Former ASADA head Richard Ings himself said the "future of the NRL is under a cloud".
That's great for a TV grab to further incite the situation, but it's hardly the stuff of fact and law. Much of the noise that exists around anti-doping is not based in law or fact -- cycling has been the battleground of trial by media for over a decade. In a number of instances in that sport we have seen athletes condemned, vilified and expelled on the basis of media claims and hysteria. Even when the law does get involved, it's not the kind of law -- with its guarantees of fair procedures and common law rights such as innocent until proven guilty -- we are used to in the rest of society.
Without any evidence provided, ASADA is asking Cronulla players to accept a reduced ban for alleged doping offences. It comes from article 10.5.3 -- "Substantial Assistance in Discovering or Establishing Anti-Doping Rule Violations" -- of the code: when they help anti-doping authorities a ban may be reduced by up to three-quarters.
Ings tells us that in the end the athlete is responsible for what enters his or her body -- the so-called principle of strict liability. All athletes would need to do is ring ASADA and check if they had any doubts as to what they were being administered.
The problem is, as Ings well knows, it isn't that simple. Putting aside athletes' reluctance to go to the police and ask them if something that they may or may not be taking is illegal, in the area of peptides it is nearly impossible for an athlete to know whether the powdered supplements he or she might take are actually on the banned list.
The media reported last week the substances alleged to have been taken by the Sharks did not appear on the WADA prohibited list at the time they were meant to have been taken. This is a significant point that seems to have been missed in the hysteria to hang the Sharks out to dry -- were the substances actually on the prohibited list? Look at the list: Thymosin Beta 4 and CJC-1295 peptides do not appear.
It doesn't have to appear specifically on the list.If that was the case no new designer compound would ever be illegal for a period of time.It is a common sense provision.There is a cover all clause to deal with the rapid rise of these drugs that says that if they have the same effect as human growth hormones and other illegal substances on the list they are illegal.With regard to the Equine stuff they are not on the list because they are not for HUMANS AND SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR HORSES so it may not be a real bright idea to have a crack at these little lovelies.
Ralphie
Bencher
SPORTS Minister Kate Lundy came under fire this morning from Labor colleagues over her handling of the drugs in sports scandal, with one Sydney Labor MP accusing the anti-doping agency of abandoning proper legal process in its pursuit of NRL players.
South west Sydney MP Daryl Melham stood up in a caucus meeting this morning and singled out Senator Lundy, calling on her to get the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) to “put up or shut upâ€.
Mr Melham, a lawyer, said he was appalled at the handling of the drugs in sport scandal claiming he had seen nothing like it in his life.
Mr Melham raised concerns over due legal process with allegations being made against players without evidence being put to them.
He also criticised the offer of “discount†suspensions to players who self-incriminate, claiming they hadn’t even been told of the allegations against them.
Mr Melham would not comment publicly about the concerns he raised in caucus.
But colleagues said he had delivered an “almighty spray†against Ms Lundy, calling for the anti-doping agency to speed up its investigation and either charge people or drop it.
Mr Melham, the former chair of the caucus, said he had serious reservations about the investigation.
“Daryl took her down,†said one caucus colleague.
“He didn’t miss.â€
A caucus spokesman said Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Senator Lundy were both asked questions about the NRL.
Ms Gillard left the caucus meeting early for other engagements but Senator Lundy was asked a number of subsequent questions about the NRL by three Labor MPs.
He said one person was particularly concerned about the length of the investigation. Others brought up the issue of all Cronulla Sharks players being tarnished by just a few who had done the wrong thing within the team.
However all questioners were coming from the same perspective, the spokesman said.
He said Senator Lundy told caucus that ASADA was an independent authority and thus needed to be left to its investigation.
Senator Lundy told the meeting ASADA “had all the resources they need at the momentâ€.
The fire-up in caucus came after the NRL demanded the Gillard government provide more resources for the drugs in sport investigation.
The Daily Telegraph revealed today that NRL CEO Dave Smith even offered financial and other support to help speed up ADSA’s investigation.
"ASADA has been given a huge task and it needs more resources to get it done as it only has a small unit for a very large task," Mr Smith said.
"They've got a bloody great big job and they need to make sure they are resourced to get it done.â€
Cabinet Minister Craig Emerson this morning said Labor would consider extra resources for ASADA if needed.
“We are happy to have a conversation about more money for ASADA,†Dr Emerson said
South west Sydney MP Daryl Melham stood up in a caucus meeting this morning and singled out Senator Lundy, calling on her to get the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) to “put up or shut upâ€.
Mr Melham, a lawyer, said he was appalled at the handling of the drugs in sport scandal claiming he had seen nothing like it in his life.
Mr Melham raised concerns over due legal process with allegations being made against players without evidence being put to them.
He also criticised the offer of “discount†suspensions to players who self-incriminate, claiming they hadn’t even been told of the allegations against them.
Mr Melham would not comment publicly about the concerns he raised in caucus.
But colleagues said he had delivered an “almighty spray†against Ms Lundy, calling for the anti-doping agency to speed up its investigation and either charge people or drop it.
Mr Melham, the former chair of the caucus, said he had serious reservations about the investigation.
“Daryl took her down,†said one caucus colleague.
“He didn’t miss.â€
A caucus spokesman said Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Senator Lundy were both asked questions about the NRL.
Ms Gillard left the caucus meeting early for other engagements but Senator Lundy was asked a number of subsequent questions about the NRL by three Labor MPs.
He said one person was particularly concerned about the length of the investigation. Others brought up the issue of all Cronulla Sharks players being tarnished by just a few who had done the wrong thing within the team.
However all questioners were coming from the same perspective, the spokesman said.
He said Senator Lundy told caucus that ASADA was an independent authority and thus needed to be left to its investigation.
Senator Lundy told the meeting ASADA “had all the resources they need at the momentâ€.
The fire-up in caucus came after the NRL demanded the Gillard government provide more resources for the drugs in sport investigation.
The Daily Telegraph revealed today that NRL CEO Dave Smith even offered financial and other support to help speed up ADSA’s investigation.
"ASADA has been given a huge task and it needs more resources to get it done as it only has a small unit for a very large task," Mr Smith said.
"They've got a bloody great big job and they need to make sure they are resourced to get it done.â€
Cabinet Minister Craig Emerson this morning said Labor would consider extra resources for ASADA if needed.
“We are happy to have a conversation about more money for ASADA,†Dr Emerson said
The Royal Soup
First Grader
And the latest rumor is that:
Asada have phone taps between a Cronulla player and Manly player, both representatives that they are investigating.......
Another day, another bull**** rumor hey
Asada have phone taps between a Cronulla player and Manly player, both representatives that they are investigating.......
Another day, another bull**** rumor hey
Supernintendo Chalmers
Bencher
Yeah i'm sure if they had these phone taps they'd be telling someone's cousins boss who then told his uncles grandaughter before the case utilising that specific evidence was begun.
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
how about every one write to their nearest labour member to tell them that because of their poor management of this issue led by Lundy you will be voting against labour. There is a lot of NRL fans out there. This would scare them into action no doubt.
The Royal Soup
First Grader
manlyfan76 said:
Apparently Lundy copped it in caucus today over this issue
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
strone33 said:
Exactly, what better time to do it. Election year, labour behind in the polls can't afford to P off half a million fans.
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