Thank you. I actually don't know who it is. (And don't have any particular desire to give the matter further publicity with names). From previous page comments it seemed this matter was rather more current. But if not, then not.
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Dragons star pleads guilty to domestic violence charge
Dragons star pleads guilty to domestic violence chargewww.foxsports.com.au
...The guilty plea may see him stood down under the NRL’s no-fault stand-down policy as can happen at the discretion of the CEO with any charges involving women or children.....
No one hold their breath.
What utter BS! He's pleaded guilty already to domestic intimidation yet the NRL won't stand him down. Why isn't he stood down under the no-fault rule, pending the court outcome?
The NRL obviously thinks some criminal domestic intimidation might be acceptable!
Reminiscent of when they let that Souths thug play the entire season and win a grand final even though he had pleaded guilty to domestic assault - just because he asked for the sentencing to be delayed. All you have to do is persuade the court not to finalise the matter until you complete your 6 month counselling session (aka complete your NRL season)...
"The NRL will await the conclusion of those proceedings before finalising its process and determining any applicable sanction under the NRL rules," it said.
www.abc.net.au
The NRL obviously thinks some criminal domestic intimidation might be acceptable!
Reminiscent of when they let that Souths thug play the entire season and win a grand final even though he had pleaded guilty to domestic assault - just because he asked for the sentencing to be delayed. All you have to do is persuade the court not to finalise the matter until you complete your 6 month counselling session (aka complete your NRL season)...
"The NRL will await the conclusion of those proceedings before finalising its process and determining any applicable sanction under the NRL rules," it said.
NRL considers standing down Francis Molo over guilty domestic violence plea
St George Illawarra prop Francis Molo pleads guilty to a domestic violence charge and could become the second player stood down by the NRL a week out from the start of the season.
www.abc.net.au
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Why not wait until the season actually starts and he’s named to play,before being outraged?What utter BS! He's pleaded guilty already to domestic intimidation yet the NRL won't stand him down. Why isn't he stood down under the no-fault rule, pending the court outcome?
The NRL obviously thinks some criminal domestic intimidation might be acceptable!
Reminiscent of when they let that Souths thug play the entire season and win a grand final even though he had pleaded guilty to domestic assault - just because he asked for the sentencing to be delayed. All you have to do is persuade the court not to finalise the matter until you complete your 6 month counselling session (aka complete your NRL season)...
"The NRL will await the conclusion of those proceedings before finalising its process and determining any applicable sanction under the NRL rules," it said.
NRL considers standing down Francis Molo over guilty domestic violence plea
St George Illawarra prop Francis Molo pleads guilty to a domestic violence charge and could become the second player stood down by the NRL a week out from the start of the season.
The story said the NRL won't do anything until the case is finished. When will that be?
If true it means they have decided the no-fault stand-down does not apply. Meaning he can be selected.
By the time he's selected I won't care, as its only Saints and they are crap, so I'm mentioning now that I can't see any credible rationale for the NRL waiting for the case to finish. I'm outraged!
(Wonder if it was Kingy's decision?)
@SeaEagleRock8 ... Just a random thought ...
had Manase pleaded guilty straight away ... cried mea culpa, I'm sorry, remorseful, bereft and it's not my normal go ... thrown himself on the mercy of the court as a young man who made a stupid mistake ..... and got both the plead guilty discount and the leniency of the court ..
He would probably be back playing by now ... wouldn't he ?
had Manase pleaded guilty straight away ... cried mea culpa, I'm sorry, remorseful, bereft and it's not my normal go ... thrown himself on the mercy of the court as a young man who made a stupid mistake ..... and got both the plead guilty discount and the leniency of the court ..
He would probably be back playing by now ... wouldn't he ?
Hard to say. It's still a very serious offence and that's the main thing a sentence has to reflect.
But you're entitled to a 25% discount if you enter an early guilty plea (meaning while still in the local court - usually within the first few months after charging). Judge at sentence could have taken into account remorse as reflected in the plea, while waiting to be sentenced he could have been trying to do some programs to address whatever got him in that mess to start with...
But yeah, I just checked and he got 8 years with non-parole of 4y 3m so realistically he may have ended up more like 3 years non-parole - and been sentenced probably by mid 2020 and have a release date in sight.
Who knows what the NRL would do though? He'd still be on parole for a few years and they may not register him until ???
Of course the other problem is the whole way through he denied he was guilty. So far as I know he still has an appeal pending. But he would have been given all that advice at an early stage (its compulsory nowadays for lawyers to give that advice about discounts etc)
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Talatau Amone has been cleared to play effective immediately for St George Illawarra after a change in his court details forced the NRL to lift the no-fault stand-down policy. Maximum sentence for his offence is five years.
NRL make call on Talatau Amone's immediate availability
The five-eighth fell under the no-fault stand-down policy in December.
www.zerotackle.com
I'm flabbergasted... So, if Manase Fainu's case had of been tried in a local court instead of a main court, it could of been a different outcome, I guess at worse, a lot smaller sentence ?Talatau Amone has been cleared to play effective immediately for St George Illawarra after a change in his court details forced the NRL to lift the no-fault stand-down policy. Maximum sentence for his offence is five years.
NRL make call on Talatau Amone's immediate availability
The five-eighth fell under the no-fault stand-down policy in December.www.zerotackle.com
No. Less serious charges can get dealt with by a magistrate in Local Court. More serious charges like Manase's have to go to the District Court before a judge and (usually) jury. The most serious (murder, terrorism stuff) go to the Supreme Court.
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Lucky the NRL didn’t rush into anything hey
So, nearly hammering someone to death is a less serious charge than Manase's. The two cases look pretty much the same to me.
Fair enough if you were present on both occasions!!. However if you are just going off media reports then you really can't judge with any confidence.
It's not uncommon at all for the cops to 'overcharge', meaning lay the most serious charge they can think of for the facts they have at the time.
Because the cops initially laid that serious charge the case then has to go to lawyers at the DPP, and after they get to see all the evidence the DPP must have agreed that a lesser charge that can be dealt with in Local Court was more appropriate. It's not uncommon really.
In all seriousness with legal and Lawyer jargon aside SER8, can you not see the unfairness in all of this. Why wasn't Amone's case referred to the District Court, rather than the Local Court ?
Does it matter. Fainu was guilty and is rotting in a jail cell. Not once did Fainu show any remorse or even admit he did it. He lied repeatedly.
Amone's charges were downgraded.
I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say legal jargon?
My best guess is that when all the evidence was finally put together, including medical reports and witness statements, the DPP (director of Publc Prosecutions) thought they couldn't prove Amone 'nearly hammered someone to death'. Maybe it was just a scratch? I have no idea. Not sure what part you mean is unfair?
(legal jargon) As in Lawyer speak, unfair in that, Manase went to the District Court and not the favourable choice, in Manase's case, the Local Court.
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