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2020 hooker (and Fainu disc.)

Cust or Croker for hooker 2020 if Nas is out

  • Cust

    Votes: 50 47.6%
  • Crocker

    Votes: 17 16.2%
  • Zach Dockar-Clay

    Votes: 19 18.1%
  • Fainu

    Votes: 19 18.1%

  • Total voters
    105

Budgewoi Eagle

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Excellent summary there Urulion. These players don't know the power they can exert. I recall an example of collective bargaining in a totally different environment, with the Writers Guild in 2007-8 when the writers of TV shows went on strike for 14 weeks after studio bosses diminished their pay. As a result a huge number of actors supported their cause and the studios were forced to accept terms that though falling short of what the writers were seeking, were a significant improvement. It almost brought the studios to their knees and resulted in many shows being cancelled. But the studios had forgotten that the writers were an essential part of TV productions and had not respected their value. Same applies to Rugby League players. They, as a group, dont seem to realise just how powerful they are.
I remember the writer’s strike but there’s a big difference. No audience member was ever asked to go and cheer their guts out for someone on rape or assault charges.
It really is very tricky and wouldn’t surprise me if the club’s were a little relieved that the NRL stand down policy takes it out of their hands and keeps their sponsors happy. Leaving Manase out of it, if De Belin played for Manly I simply couldn’t cheer for him even though I believe to my bones that he deserves his day in court.
 

Budgewoi Eagle

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Is it too much to ask to have a family tree posted online which sets out the relationship between fainu, fainu’s brother, haumole, big buck and the hopoates?
I’ve noticed on social media they all call each other Toko (cousin). Seems to work well.
 

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I remember the writer’s strike but there’s a big difference. No audience member was ever asked to go and cheer their guts out for someone on rape or assault charges.
It really is very tricky and wouldn’t surprise me if the club’s were a little relieved that the NRL stand down policy takes it out of their hands and keeps their sponsors happy. Leaving Manase out of it, if De Belin played for Manly I simply couldn’t cheer for him even though I believe to my bones that he deserves his day in court.
Point taken Budgie. I was really speaking In a general sense regarding the power players can exert.

Mind you I've been virulently opposed to the principle of the no fault rule from the beginning. The reason has a history with me regarding a couple of work mates I represented, who were suspended for 18 months on accusations I knew to be contrived by the commissioner responsible. They were paid, but went through dreadful persecution that led to both being pensioned off on psychological grounds. Both were totally exonerated and one sued the department and won $30,000 in compensation.

I know this is different, but I also think of Stewart and the prejudging that was done. Despite the court's ruling, I am convinced the rule is contrary to the principles of innocent until proven guilty. That's not to say either deBelin or Fainu are innocent, but such action implies that. Different if the person holds a position responsible for public safety. These are just footballers, risking no one harm on the field. The principle of guilty until proven innocent is based on the Napoleanic code, which we rejected long ago.
 

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Not sure why people are suggesting Jake Friend is injury prone...?
Apart from 2019, he’s played an average of 22.5 games per year for the last 10yrs. Quite impressive in that role to be honest.

Would bring a wealth of experience.

Yes please.
 

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Jake Friend would be an excellent get if MF is out for 2020. An Experienced no.9 especially coming out of the dominant roosters system would be a win win.
 

Budgewoi Eagle

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Point taken Budgie. I was really speaking In a general sense regarding the power players can exert.

Mind you I've been virulently opposed to the principle of the no fault rule from the beginning. The reason has a history with me regarding a couple of work mates I represented, who were suspended for 18 months on accusations I knew to be contrived by the commissioner responsible. They were paid, but went through dreadful persecution that led to both being pensioned off on psychological grounds. Both were totally exonerated and one sued the department and won $30,000 in compensation.

I know this is different, but I also think of Stewart and the prejudging that was done. Despite the court's ruling, I am convinced the rule is contrary to the principles of innocent until proven guilty. That's not to say either deBelin or Fainu are innocent, but such action implies that. Different if the person holds a position responsible for public safety. These are just footballers, risking no one harm on the field. The principle of guilty until proven innocent is based on the Napoleanic code, which we rejected long ago.
Yep. And I think false accusations are a much bigger problem than the society acknowledges.
 

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.Should I even ask why his brother has a different surname. Imagine one of them going on Ancestry.com. The site would go full melt down.
Would go a long way to explaining why Pacific island juniors are exempt from providing birth certificates...
 

sean john

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Do you think that the Roosters would pay some of his freight . smart footballer but certainly has had his injury issues in recent seasons . Maybe after Fainu 's next court appearance , there will be a clearer indication of his prospects of being available for Manly in 2020 .
Would be good if they would but uncle nick is a good negotiator and probably wouldn't budge. Then again, i don't really know haha
 

globaleagle

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Excellent summary there Urulion. These players don't know the power they can exert. I recall an example of collective bargaining in a totally different environment, with the Writers Guild in 2007-8 when the writers of TV shows went on strike for 14 weeks after studio bosses diminished their pay. As a result a huge number of actors supported their cause and the studios were forced to accept terms that though falling short of what the writers were seeking, were a significant improvement. It almost brought the studios to their knees and resulted in many shows being cancelled. But the studios had forgotten that the writers were an essential part of TV productions and had not respected their value. Same applies to Rugby League players. They, as a group, dont seem to realise just how powerful they are.
I also remember the writers strike but on a sporting note the NHL (ice hockey) has has a few players strikes.
In recent memory 2012-2013 the whole season was cancelled, 2004-2005 about half the season was lost. There were also strikes in 1992 and 1994-1995

Actually the NFL, NBA, and MLB have all had strikes. Mainly about players wanting more money and the billionaire owners crying poor.

But that's all to reiterate your point that an organised and well represented group of players wont get pushed around by head office.
 

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I have a sneaky suspicion Fainu will be cleared. Hopefully sooner rather than later but I reckon our little hooker will be sweet. Let's hope he learns a valuable lesson and comes back even better and more determined and help deliver us a couple more premierships
 

Cameron

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I have a sneaky suspicion Fainu will be cleared. Hopefully sooner rather than later but I reckon our little hooker will be sweet. Let's hope he learns a valuable lesson and comes back even better and more determined and help deliver us a couple more premierships
Hope your right mate.

I remember reading his mum saying they were scared he was going to be deported to NZ over her porno vid.

He seems like a good young kid. Hope he gets thru this and is back on field for us
 

Mark from Brisbane

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Hope your right mate.

I remember reading his mum saying they were scared he was going to be deported to NZ over her porno vid.

He seems like a good young kid. Hope he gets thru this and is back on field for us
Not sure if he has a strong family but boy they need to get him under control.

There’s 1000’s of islander boys who never get a chance at being anything so if I could get in his ear I’d be saying these four words “ don’t **** up again”.
 

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A do-nut... and told him to
Stick closer to church-oriented social activities.
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Mark from Brisbane

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Getting back on track does anyone think we’ll buy a hooker or just try and train one up???

Personally I think we have little choice but to buy one.

We need two anyway.
 

Briza

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I have a sneaky suspicion Fainu will be cleared. Hopefully sooner rather than later but I reckon our little hooker will be sweet. Let's hope he learns a valuable lesson and comes back even better and more determined and help deliver us a couple more premierships
I agree
My opinion only, but I believe he knows who actually held the knife during the stabbing and is keeping quite out of loyalty and code.
Hopefully the police do a thorough job and find the real perpetrator, eventually the truth will come out hopefully sooner rather than later.
 

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I agree
My opinion only, but I believe he knows who actually held the knife during the stabbing and is keeping quite out of loyalty and code.
Hopefully the police do a thorough job and find the real perpetrator, eventually the truth will come out hopefully sooner rather than later.
if that's the case then he's aiding & abetting a criminal & could serve time for it. Stupid is as stupid does...
 

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Personally I think we have little choice but to buy one.

We need two anyway.
Totally agree. Even if Fainu becomes available, I think he's way too vulnerable both on-field (injury wise) and off-field (gang/culture wise) to rely on just him.

I was going to comment that I can't understand why Manly supposedly withdrew their offer to Issac Luke...until I read he's just signed with the Dragons. So there goes that option. The search continues...
 

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