Roosters reward for developing players proposal

[DUFFMAN]

The salary-cap proposal that could revolutionise the game​

By Adrian Proszenko​

April 13, 2022 — 5.31am






The Sydney Roosters would be considered a development club and be rewarded with salary-cap relief under a radical proposal that promotes the blooding of more rookies – and less player churn – across the game.
The initiative is the brainchild of Ramy Haidar, a sports management consultant who previously worked with Manly coach Des Hasler. Haidar has pitched his “Net Supply Allowance” idea to the NRL and some of its most powerful clubs.

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The paper has received positive feedback from clubland and comes at a time when head office is considering new ways to reward development clubs ahead of collective bargaining discussions with the players’ union.
Under the proposal, clubs are rewarded for blooding debutants rather than signing players who have established themselves at NRL rivals.

Sides are rewarded with salary-cap relief according to a “team purity score”, a metric that is derived by comparing the total number of club appearances against total NRL appearances, showing what proportion of a side’s experience was played in its team colours.
In 2021 for instance, Newcastle had 1824 games of experience across their roster, but only 755 of those caps made their debut for the Knights.

More broadly, over the past decade the Roosters have blooded 45 rookies and bought just 38 established first-graders from other clubs, to provide a surplus of seven. As a means of comparison, the Sharks have debuted 34 while importing 55 players over the same period.
Under Haidar’s matrix, teams would receive $50,000 for each player supplied in surplus, meaning the Roosters would be entitled to cap relief averaging $100,000 per season – the most of the 16 clubs – between 2012-2021.


The Dragons, meanwhile, would receive only $15,000 after notching the lowest “Net Player Supply” score over the corresponding period.
“Unsurprisingly, the main gripe amongst fans is also the high quantity of player transfers,” Haidar’s document states.
“When new recruits enter a roster, that team’s identity gets somewhat diluted. As clubs shuffle through more imported talent, their rosters become just one generic blend of footballers …

Sam Walker, right, and Joseph Suaalii would be considered Roosters rookies under the proposal.Credit:Getty

“Concerningly, seven out of the 16 clubs had a team purity below 50 per cent in season 2021. The overall NRL average was just 58.4 per cent reflecting exactly how often players are shuffling from one club to another. The unintended consequence of this is diminished opportunities for new talent to debut. Imported players fill roster spots and often take selection priority.

Clearly, too many teams develop too few of their own. They lack the organic flavour that fans crave, making it difficult to sell the team as authentic.”
Haidar declined to comment when contacted by the Herald.
Under his plan, a player does not have to be a local junior to be defined as a rookie. For instance, Sam Walker and Joseph Suaalii would count as Roosters rookies because they made their first-grade debut for the Tricolours, despite spending time in other junior systems. It’s why clubs such as the Roosters and the Storm, with only a small catchment of local juniors, aren’t disadvantaged. Like the other sides, they would be incentivised to promote those already within their system rather than simply buying over the top of them.

Modelling off the past decade reveals the entire strategy would have cost only an additional $49,687 per club, a relatively small price to pay to promote from within and slow the constant churn of players across the competition.

“The root source of team identity is the blooding of rookies,” the document states. “So, when teams recruit high quantities of players, they inadvertently block pathways for their internal rookies. It is an unintended consequence but has long-term implications on the purity of their roster …

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“Across the last decade, 766 existing first-graders were recruited. Yet in the same period only 666 rookies were debuted. The deficit of 100, indicative of a dependent culture whereby some clubs prefer to import the finished product rather than offer opportunities to their own … Ultimately, the selection of debutants benefits the entire NRL regardless of their origin.”

 

[Budgie]

Rugby League's biggest asset is it's simplicity. This will never fly.

 

[47MVEagle]

Wow, laughable that the Roosters of all teams are on their high horse about this.

The metrics have been massaged to benefit the Roosters by basing it on which NRL club the player debuts for as opposed to their junior club.

Suaalii & Walker classified as Roosters rookies? LOL!

 

[47MVEagle]

This bit:

"In 2021 for instance, Newcastle had 1824 games of experience across their roster, but only 755 of those caps made their debut for the Knights"

Compared to this bit:

"More broadly, over the past decade the Roosters have blooded 45 rookies and bought just 38 established first-graders from other clubs, to provide a surplus of seven."

Why are they counting total games for the Knights' stat but only total players for the Roosters' stat?

 

[HK_Eagle]

Roosters just looking for subsidies when they poach the best young talent developed elsewhere. Where’s the part about weeding out illegal off the book payments to help better stabilise the competition and not encourage players to leave for the main offenders big clubs.

Sheesh, what a Rooster PR job in sheep’s clothing for bettering the game.

 

[Shoe1]

So if you buy a gun junior before his nrl debut your club claims credit for it.

Under this proposal roosters would be credited for tuipulotu (1 game) and Flanagan (sausaged his career), while manly get no credit for developing verrills, garner, hynes, ramien, Sione fainu etc.

Also manly disadvantaged by Barrett bringing in journeyman like Lewis brown and green.

I can see some merit in the idea with a few tweaks. Mainly you should be able to count graduation through the junior teams, not just buying someone 5 mins before they are ready to debut in first grade.

Broncos developed walker for example, and roosters debuted him in the nrl.

In the medium term manly would benefit from our gun juniors coming through.

 

[maxta]

The Roosters work out their salary cap on the golf course - what's this crap about ???

 

[manly al]

Maybe a reasonable proposal in theory but will still most likely revolve around the basis of good or effective club management and effective pathways systems or whatever advantages some of the more high profile clubs can conjure up Then a club like Panthers and maybe now to a slightly lesser extent Manly developing a successful junior progression programme and then lose a portion of good juniors to rival clubs who have not put in the hard yards .would still be open to exploitation by the likes of the Roosters and others if such a scheme was ever seriously considered .

 

[tookey]

Would only encourage teams like what the roosters already do is to go an buy every promising young player from other clubs and hope they debut

Another dumb idea that Vlandys will probably adopt if Nick tells him to

 

[The Who]

The salary-cap proposal that could revolutionise the game​

By Adrian Proszenko​

April 13, 2022 — 5.31am






The Sydney Roosters would be considered a development club and be rewarded with salary-cap relief under a radical proposal that promotes the blooding of more rookies – and less player churn – across the game.
The initiative is the brainchild of Ramy Haidar, a sports management consultant who previously worked with Manly coach Des Hasler. Haidar has pitched his “Net Supply Allowance” idea to the NRL and some of its most powerful clubs.

​

​

1:28

Michael Chammas with the latest on Anthony Milford's situation​

​

Michael Chammas reveals the NRL will investigate Anthony Milford before he can return to the competition
The paper has received positive feedback from clubland and comes at a time when head office is considering new ways to reward development clubs ahead of collective bargaining discussions with the players’ union.
Under the proposal, clubs are rewarded for blooding debutants rather than signing players who have established themselves at NRL rivals.

Sides are rewarded with salary-cap relief according to a “team purity score”, a metric that is derived by comparing the total number of club appearances against total NRL appearances, showing what proportion of a side’s experience was played in its team colours.
In 2021 for instance, Newcastle had 1824 games of experience across their roster, but only 755 of those caps made their debut for the Knights.

More broadly, over the past decade the Roosters have blooded 45 rookies and bought just 38 established first-graders from other clubs, to provide a surplus of seven. As a means of comparison, the Sharks have debuted 34 while importing 55 players over the same period.
Under Haidar’s matrix, teams would receive $50,000 for each player supplied in surplus, meaning the Roosters would be entitled to cap relief averaging $100,000 per season – the most of the 16 clubs – between 2012-2021.


The Dragons, meanwhile, would receive only $15,000 after notching the lowest “Net Player Supply” score over the corresponding period.
“Unsurprisingly, the main gripe amongst fans is also the high quantity of player transfers,” Haidar’s document states.
“When new recruits enter a roster, that team’s identity gets somewhat diluted. As clubs shuffle through more imported talent, their rosters become just one generic blend of footballers …

Sam Walker, right, and Joseph Suaalii would be considered Roosters rookies under the proposal.Credit:Getty

“Concerningly, seven out of the 16 clubs had a team purity below 50 per cent in season 2021. The overall NRL average was just 58.4 per cent reflecting exactly how often players are shuffling from one club to another. The unintended consequence of this is diminished opportunities for new talent to debut. Imported players fill roster spots and often take selection priority.

Clearly, too many teams develop too few of their own. They lack the organic flavour that fans crave, making it difficult to sell the team as authentic.”
Haidar declined to comment when contacted by the Herald.
Under his plan, a player does not have to be a local junior to be defined as a rookie. For instance, Sam Walker and Joseph Suaalii would count as Roosters rookies because they made their first-grade debut for the Tricolours, despite spending time in other junior systems. It’s why clubs such as the Roosters and the Storm, with only a small catchment of local juniors, aren’t disadvantaged. Like the other sides, they would be incentivised to promote those already within their system rather than simply buying over the top of them.

Modelling off the past decade reveals the entire strategy would have cost only an additional $49,687 per club, a relatively small price to pay to promote from within and slow the constant churn of players across the competition.

“The root source of team identity is the blooding of rookies,” the document states. “So, when teams recruit high quantities of players, they inadvertently block pathways for their internal rookies. It is an unintended consequence but has long-term implications on the purity of their roster …

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“Across the last decade, 766 existing first-graders were recruited. Yet in the same period only 666 rookies were debuted. The deficit of 100, indicative of a dependent culture whereby some clubs prefer to import the finished product rather than offer opportunities to their own … Ultimately, the selection of debutants benefits the entire NRL regardless of their origin.”

Sam Walker and Joseph Suaalii would count as Roosters rookies because they made their first-grade debut for the Tricolours, despite spending time in other junior systems. It’s why clubs such as the Roosters and the Storm, with only a small catchment of local juniors, aren’t disadvantaged.
These two clubs are the most successful in the past 20 years. I think the proponent of this system may have to rethink his argument in favour of the idea.

 

[pt73]

Did the author of this concept disclose who he was working for or who funded it ?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Under this proposal roosters would be credited for tuipulotu (1 game) and Flanagan (sausaged his career), while manly get no credit for developing verrills, garner, hynes, ramien, Sione fainu etc.

Some merit in the concept of encouraging clubs to promote from within but as some have noted it would be very unfair in its simple form.
Chooks shouldn't be better rewarded for bringing in 38 x $1 million imports than other clubs that bring in 40 x $250,000 imports.

Seems kinda obvious!

 

[jbb/james]

rich clubs want to spend more
poor clubs dont
unless its NRL funded there is no incentive for some clubs so it would have to granted as additional funds to a select few to work and that opens more worms.

 

[MadMarcus]

Good concept but needs a lot of work IMO. I would like to see something done about the constant merry go round of players.

 

[Woodsie]

A complete waste of time ... any hoped for savings on salary cap will disappear quicker than an Eels premiership.hope.

Scenario 1

Player A hasn't debuted yet, but knows he's a gun because 5 clubs are chasing him .. his agent also knows his salary cap advantage to his new club so adds it into the negotiation .... But BUT ... After announcing he has signed with his new club for next season ..

THEN his old club has a laugh and debuts him next week .

 

[Red Pill]

Gee I hate the roosters.

 

[The Who]

What if there was a rule that you had to have three/four local juniors in your top 17 each match? By local juniors I'm stipulating that they had to have played in one of the Under 12 local clubs. While it would benefit Brisbane, Penrith, Parramatta, Illawarra and Wests wouldn't it stuff up Easts and Melbourne!

 

[DUFFMAN]

What if there was a rule that you had to have three/four local juniors in your top 17 each match? By local juniors I'm stipulating that they had to have played in one of the Under 12 local clubs. While it would benefit Brisbane, Penrith, Parramatta, Illawarra and Wests wouldn't it stuff up Easts and Melbourne!

Just means Uncle Nick might have to start playing Mini Golf and sign kids up at aged 10, not really going to effect his bank balance.

 

[Shoe1]

What if there was a rule that you had to have three/four local juniors in your top 17 each match? By local juniors I'm stipulating that they had to have played in one of the Under 12 local clubs. While it would benefit Brisbane, Penrith, Parramatta, Illawarra and Wests wouldn't it stuff up Easts and Melbourne!

There will always be a rort by the old clubs. Manly not allowed to play Eddie lumsden from Kurri kurri one season, but fine for st George to play him the next under the same residential rule.

 

[MadMarcus]

A complete waste of time ... any hoped for savings on salary cap will disappear quicker than an Eels premiership.hope.

Scenario 1

Player A hasn't debuted yet, but knows he's a gun because 5 clubs are chasing him .. his agent also knows his salary cap advantage to his new club so adds it into the negotiation .... But BUT ... After announcing he has signed with his new club for next season ..

THEN his old club has a laugh and debuts him next week .

HOWEVER the player won’t have that, so he goes out and deliberately gets charged with an offence so he can be stood down under the NRL’s no fault stand down policy, therefore not making his debut for the old club…

BUT THEN the new club doesn’t want to take him because he has been charged with a violent offence…