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Is Des as good as Wayne Bennett?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by bazeagle, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. bazeagle

    bazeagle Well-Known Member

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    Is he?
    Is he as clever tactically?
    Does Des have the ability to galvanise players such that they adore him like the Saints players clearly do to Wayne?
    Honestly?
     
  2. Moondog

    Moondog Grey-beard loon Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Honestly....I think Bennett is the benchmark at the moment.
     
  3. Rambo1987

    Rambo1987 Well-Known Member

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    Bennett is the best but look at the teams he has had at the Broncos & Dragons..
    Des is still learning
     
  4. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Bennett's had 23 years in first grade coaching Des has had 6. After 6 years Bennett had 1 win 1 loss same as Des. Let's see how Des is after 23 seasons.
     
  5. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Des took over the reigns in 2004 (we came 13th) after a putrid run with Peter Sharp at the helm (gets cold shivers). Since that time:-

    2005 - 8th
    2006 - 5th
    2007 - 2nd
    2008 - 2nd
    2009 - 5th
    2010 - 8th

    So, a coach that has never fallen out of the finals. A coach that gets talked about for The Blues. A coach that is regularly runner up at the Daly-M's for coach of the year.

    Ok, since Graham Lowe has com on board, we have gone backward in the player market, but since Des has been coach, notable blue chip players like:-

    Ben Kennedy
    Brent Kite
    Steve Bell
    Matt Orford

    have all opted to play for us, rather than other teams. That says a lot for our system & culture.

    Personally, I think he's pretty good. This year, he played:-
    Whare
    Hopoate
    Oldfield
    Buhrer
    giving the youngsters a go.

    For the life of me, I HAVE to consider that Des sees something in our young forwards that may coming through going forward, and that it's just not Lowe's inability to sign players.

    I'd say we have the 3rd best coach in the NRL. (Bennett / Bellamy) the only coaches I'd have before him.
     
  6. Jonesyv2

    Jonesyv2 Active Member

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    Ryan, if Mayer was sitll CEO we would still be high on the Salary cap it happens as we upgraded so many of the 08 GF players Contracts.

    Give it a rest unless you want us to cheat the salary cap it was always oging to happen, you get 2-3 years with a top side to have a play at the premiership and we did it in 07 and 08, should of done it in 09 but injuries and a disasterous launch killed us.

    Have a good hard think, if a certain #1 played the past 2 years and a certain #5 played this year how would we have fared on the ladder?

    you even contradict yourself by mentioning osme youngsters we signed, resigned and upgraded.
     
  7. The Gronk

    The Gronk Well-Known Member

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    we arent spending the full cap next year
     
  8. Jonesyv2

    Jonesyv2 Active Member

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    I think you will find we are close to it
     
  9. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    I think you will find we are close to it
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    On the Wii i couldnt hold the 2009 team together,i ended up registering a bunch of free agents and giving them match payments......restarted the thing and signed a bunch of u20s in the squad of 25

    Just upgrading by the littlest i could i found that i couldnt keep the team together,i had to let 6 guys go
     
  10. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    I think you will find we are close to it
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    Jonesey is right, Lowe has said as much...it's the "back end" deals that are killing us, as they will the Dragons in 11 and 12, Gaznier alone would be on min payment this year to fit him in, so half year say $27500....to catch up next year he'll be on say $550 and maybe $700 the year after...let's see how good the Dragons go when Daaaaarius wants a $250K upgrade, Young the same and Coward wants one too.

    See how they hold their "Dynasty" together then.

    Sadly it's just the way the cap works, and is why I think we'll be just making up the numbers for 2011, and perhaps even 2012 with 2013 our next big shot again (5 years after the last one).

    And in answer to the original question.....no......not yet (but give him time)
     
  11. Darren

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    Gronk, where did you hear we aren't spending the full cap?? If that is so, we are in big trouble!!
     
  12. ayjay007

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    Jonesey is right, Lowe has said as much...it's the "back end" deals that are killing us, as they will the Dragons in 11 and 12, Gaznier alone would be on min payment this year to fit him in, so half year say $27500....to catch up next year he'll be on say $550 and maybe $700 the year after...let's see how good the Dragons go when Daaaaarius wants a $250K upgrade, Young the same and Coward wants one too.

    See how they hold their "Dynasty" together then.

    Sadly it's just the way the cap works, and is why I think we'll be just making up the numbers for 2011, and perhaps even 2012 with 2013 our next big shot again (5 years after the last one).

    And in answer to the original question.....no......not yet (but give him time)
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    you're right Mark.They've already lost a couple of forwards.The next year (2012) will be the big bite,when,as you say,they have to start upgrading their 2010 GF team!Will Gasnier be worth it?? Big Q!
     
  13. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I wouldn't take either of them ahead of Des - especially Bellamy. If you think our blokes don't hold Des in the highest regard you must be joking. Plus - Des has Manly history. That is priceless.
     
  14. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

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    The maroon & white glasses out out tonight. If anyone thinks our squad minus snake and wolfie weren't capable of a finish above 8th just didn't see what I did. I love Des. I am sure the players love Des. But to put Bennett up against Hasler is no contest. 8th doesn't sit well with me at all. Poor, poor year.
     
  15. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You're spot on there SER8. Mercenaries dont work at our club. Des, Bozo, Stanton,Willey all club legends and the only ones to coach premierships.
     
  16. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Silly debate. the 2 predominant issues of 1) is Des as good as Bennett and 2) how the cap equates to the first question, are both impossible to have any degree of accuracy.

    Darren/Gronks question is interesting though. If we dont spend the cap next year and yet maintain a healthy squad of experience while blooding a few rookies, surely that must mean very good cap management. No ?
     
  17. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I wish Des was as good as Wayne Bennett.
     
  18. TokyoEagle

    TokyoEagle Well-Known Member

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    Des was a better footy player than Bennett.
     
  19. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Id rather Des than Bennett
     
  20. Uskovic

    Uskovic New Member

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    Des Hasler is one of the Best Coaches in the business

    I wouldnt swap him for anyone else

    Seriously since he has become our coach we have been a Force

    Even last year with our speedters gone and all the crap Manly have copped from the media i.e Stewart Trial, Dud Ref Calls, has to take its toll somewhere on the players , however they were still competitive and still made the eight

    I reckon we are a Top 4 Team next year and we will take out the Grand Final if Stewart is back to his best
     

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