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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by SeaEagleRock8, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +10,560 /215
    Smith loses battle against acronyms
    Thursday, December 09, 2010 » 06:35pm

    Defence Minister Stephen Smith has lost a battle to ban acronyms in documents his department presented to him.

    But in a department heavy on acronyms like JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) and SOTG (Special Operations Task Group), Mr Smith eventually gave in.

    Freedom of Information documents obtained by AAP show the acronym ban was a 'key issue' for the new minister.

    'The first is that all submissions must not contain any acronyms at all,' one email from the director of the defence Ministerial and Parliamentary Liaison Services on September 28 shows. 'Any submissions that use acronyms will be returned.'

    Another document says: 'The minister has asked for acronyms to be spelt out in his briefs.'

    Later on the same day Mr Smith gave some ground.

    He asked for a list of 'acronyms that are in common use' that would be allowed in documents.

    But it wasn't enough for some in the department.

    Eventually Mr Smith's office changed its 'zero-tolerance rule'.

    'The office of the minister for defence have advised that acronyms may now be used in advice to the minister,' a final email on October 20 said.
  2. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

    +1,476 /8

    storm in a tea cup
  3. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

    +5,631 /205
    i can understand his issues, even talking to different corps in the army acronyms cause confusion, he and the department have to deal with the lot and im sure there are double ups.

    A soldiers career path in my unit could easily be described as:

    Enlist, RRTC, CAMs, IET, RRF, HRR, BCCC, SCCC, IIMV, TLTG-3, Junior leaders, SIO-S, SIO-P, SIO-C
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    Enlist, RRTC, CAMs, IET, RRF, HRR, BCCC, SCCC, IIMV, TLTG-3, Junior leaders, SIO-S, SIO-P, SIO-C,,

    lets see if i can get these fluffy ..  IET,  initial employment training
    RRTC, regimental recruit training centre..
    SIO-S, dnt knw the SIO part but im guessing they each are section commanders, platoon commanders & company commanders..

    i dnt knw the rest  probably got them all wrong ..lol
  5. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

    +5,631 /205
    not a bad effort jjai

    RRTC - reserve recuit training course
    CAMs - I cant even remeber as its new the C is Common as in all corps
    IET - initial employment training
    RRF - Reserve response force
    HRR - high readiness reserve
    BCCC - Basic comms course
    SCCC - Specialist Comms courcse
    IIMV - somethign mobility vehicle
    TLTG - timor leste task group
    SIO - supervisor infantry operations

    There are another dozen plus just cources for infantry with acronymns let alone anything else.
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    i was in army reserves for 2yrs they wanted me to go regs , then i recived letter from duntroon  to go  officer training fuk that i hate officers they dnt earn their pay..  i decided to do neither..
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    lol fluffy i was at holsworthy  , we were in the bush for a couple of weeks & these nerdy new officers came into camp with us half way through they had  to do 3days bush experience,, they couldnt even put their tent up we had to dig thier trench & they had never seen a ration pack in their lives.. lol  they are claytons soldiers, more book worms than infantry personnel..
  7. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member

    +631 /12
    Wouldn't you rather get paid more than you earned jjai?

    Overcompensation can't be a bad thing. Would you rather do all the hard work & get ripped off for it? Sounds arse about face to me.
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    not really duff..
    i didnt care about the money, i`d rather the dignity & the pride in being an infantryman  than an officer .. the officers come once the grounds been won by the infantry.. theres mateship & comradery in being a digger something the officers dont have .. 
    also they  might have the pips on their  shoulders..
    but the soldiers know they`re **** thats why  they  need to be recognised with a salute everytime you pass them, otherwise you wouldnt even acknowledge them .. unlike sargeants & warrant officers . i respect them ..
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    when i was there we were still using SLR`s the new M1  or whatever it was was just coming in the regular army i never got to use them as i left not long after they came out.. i was there from 86-88..
    my best experience was flying from richmond to singleton infantry training centre in a hercules  & spending two weeks with regular army doing manouveres ..
  9. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +8,608 /80
    That's why they are officers and you are a soldier
  10. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member

    +631 /12
    Maybe I could be in the military. I'm a born officer.
  11. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

    +302 /0
    officers can also spell and string a sentence together.
  12. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member

    +631 /12
    That's my only talent!
    Jjai could be an ossifer.
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    thanks throw i was waiting for you mandatory comment..   ::)..

    you know i was 17-18 then..  :-\ :-\
    :-\ ( for mata)  ....
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    That's why they are officers and you are a soldier
    [/quote]chIp WTF dude did you read what i wrote, i can handle the tiers in command my point was , why these guys giving orders & directing troops when they cant even set their tent up..  i`d be suprised if  they could even strip their rifle..

    its the sargeants & corprals that do all the work..

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