Why are there so many injuries?

[Highflier]

Bellamy and all his grimey tactics along with sports science and nutrition are to blame ,but especially that coaching stain on the game .
I personally dont like watching 2/3 guys hold one up and then some grub cannon baller/prowler goes for the legs or the flops that Fifita seems to have perfected lately ,not to mention the Smith crocodile roll to tangle legs and arms and stretch ligaments
What about a max of 2 in the tackle,plus reduced interchange but keep the 10 meters .May bring back more of the classic legs tackle and less wrestle?
Go Manly

 

[Class of 96]

I saw on the Offsiders today that there are 86 injuries in total. That’s a big number.

 

[mave]

Been saying it for ages now.

Simply allow the ruck to be 3, 4, 5 seconds, whatever, pick a number. Slow it down, for every tackle, even if it is a 1 on 1 legs tackle. Keep the ruck speed consistent.

This eliminates wrestle, eliminates Bellamy ball, eliminates the touch footy we watch now. Eliminates wrestle as it becomes redundant. Eliminates 3 or 4 in the tackle to slow it down.

Reduce the intetchange if we are worried about fatigue. I personally dont think it will be necessary as the game will end up being harder in defence as coaches will come up with better, more positive ways to score points....other than supersonic ruck speed.

 

[Technical Coach]

A little more smarter defensive structures that are not overly reliant on aggression and intensity does help reduce injuries to a small degree----Melb seem to do ok injury wise but haven't really looked into it that much to back this theory up.

Offering numbers around the lead runners and ball movement options during go forward sets can also limit the gang tackling opportunities.

Polynesian and White player mix (the size differential is too great at times), poor tackling techniques especially from young players who have entered the game far too early and their bodies haven't fully developed. A limit of say being over 21 would help but there isn't enough of a talent pool to probably make this work in the short term and you risk losing players to Union or other sports.

Reducing the interchange will help also(adds fatigue and more smaller players on the field) but i worry big time of too much space causing big score lines due to the high skill level of players these days who can beat players one on one too easily.

 

[BrendonStarr]

When the refs give a team 7 or 8 penalties in a row the opposition are phucking defending their asses off and getting injured because of phucked up ref agendas

 

[QueefRichards]

I'm more concerned with understanding not why theres a lot of injuries across the competition but why our injury toll is worse than a lot of other teams.

 

[chris_niko]

Can't explain other teams injuries numbers but ours are pretty simple. The last few years under Barrett our players didn't want to put there bodies on the line. This year under des the players are putting everything into every game and with that come the injuries.

 

[The Who]

Can't explain other teams injuries numbers but ours are pretty simple. The last few years under Barrett our players didn't want to put there bodies on the line. This year under des the players are putting everything into every game and with that come the injuries.

That makes no sense. Last season we had just as many injuries.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Been saying it for ages now.

Simply allow the ruck to be 3, 4, 5 seconds, whatever, pick a number. Slow it down, for every tackle, even if it is a 1 on 1 legs tackle. Keep the ruck speed consistent.

This eliminates wrestle, eliminates Bellamy ball, eliminates the touch footy we watch now. Eliminates wrestle as it becomes redundant. Eliminates 3 or 4 in the tackle to slow it down.

Reduce the intetchange if we are worried about fatigue. I personally dont think it will be necessary as the game will end up being harder in defense as coaches will come up with better, more positive ways to score points....other than supersonic ruck speed.

Noooo!!!!..I don't want to see the ruck get any slower. This would move us even closer to an NFL style game and rugby league should always be a relentless and free flowing game.
I'd rather refs just enforce a call of held. If you don't get to marker or out of the way after a tackle is complete (and not by continuing to hold the player down) then it's a penalty, if you need 3-4 players to make a tackle then you will be 1-4 players less in the next defensive set and hopefully removes the incentive of the wrestling tactics.
I can see this idea causing a divide with some.

 

[mave]

Noooo!!!!..I don't want to see the ruck get any slower. This would move us even closer to an NFL style game and rugby league should always be a relentless and free flowing game.
I'd rather refs just enforce a call of held. If you don't get to marker or out of the way after a tackle is complete (and not by continuing to hold the player down) then it's a penalty, if you need 3-4 players to make a tackle then you will be 1-4 players less in the next defensive set and hopefully removes the incentive of the wrestling tactics.
I can see this idea causing a divide with some.

We already have a game like that.
Touch footy.
Jokes, jokes.


Ruck speed is much slower in local comps. The game there is still relentless, and free flowing.
Now I understand that these NRL players are supreme athletes in comparison, and are coached to the nth degree, but the comparison is valid imo.
What you are suggesting, imo, will lead to the Bill Harrigan style games of the late 90s/ early 2000s where every set was 5 dummy half runs, then kick, because easy metres will be on offer, and that's what the coaches will want to exploit.

I do not find that to be attractive footy. Fast, yes, athletic, yes ....but ultimately boring.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

We already have a game like that.
Touch footy.
Jokes, jokes.


Ruck speed is much slower in local comps. The game there is still relentless, and free flowing.
Now I understand that these NRL players are supreme athletes in comparison, and are coached to the nth degree, but the comparison is valid imo.
What you are suggesting, imo, will lead to the Bill Harrigan style games of the late 90s/ early 2000s where every set was 5 dummy half runs, then kick, because easy metres will be on offer, and that's what the coaches will want to exploit.

I do not find that to be attractive footy. Fast, yes, athletic, yes ....but ultimately boring.

Agreed, I don't want to see the game turn into something resembling touch but my biggest fear is that we get something resembling the stop start (hang on somethings not quite right) affair of American football. For me that would be equally if not more boring. I don't think the solution is as simple as a single rule change and like I said not everyone will be happy with any change that is made. But one thing is for sure - the wrestle needs to go.

 

[ricardo]

When's Turbo back?

 

[mave]

Agreed, I don't want to see the game turn into something resembling touch but my biggest fear is that we get something resembling the stop start (hang on somethings not quite right) affair of American football. For me that would be equally if not more boring. I don't think the solution is as simple as a single rule change and like I said not everyone will be happy with any change that is made. But one thing is for sure - the wrestle needs to go.

I'm with you.

I dont think a 3 or 4 second count from a call of "held", to clear the ruck/play the ball is much slower than what we have now.

And in the context of the thread ( sorry for the de-rail)...

What it will do, is take the grey area out of the refs hands.

Wrestle will become redundant as ruck speed is regulated. Less wrestle = less injuries.

Legs tackles become rewarded again, as the defender will have time to get to marker. 1 v 1 legs tackles theoretically = less injuries.

 

[maxta]

There is good reason for the gang tackles, time on the attacker to halt momentum and allows far better line speed from dominating the ruck, as defence is reset and coming North next play ball.

What p**sses me off is a tackler like Jake who has the ultimate technique, cutting a player down with an effective driving legs tackle....as they hit the turf, ref is already screaming "Jake get off".....basically will cop a penalty unless releasing Instantly.....this leads to a touch play the ball and Massive momentum and often a line break /try situation, for making the best tackle of the game!!
Where is the Reward ?? there should be a 3-4 second Reward time for this tackle...yet these wrestle / dancing bears tackles get to slow the game to a stop and this is how kids are taught to tackle at Rep level today....which is pretty sad....in the good old days kids, that wrestled and used hands to grab and rip at jerseys had to hold tennis balls in training drills, to promote using the shoulders....no wonder these Holden cup games have scorelines like 46 - 42....