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Who is actually to blame ?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Jatz Crackers, Apr 11, 2015.

Who is actually to blame for us losing games this year ?

  1. Hasler : he started this whole mess with the backended deals

    7.6%
  2. Scott Penn : the designer stubble has torn it for me

    16.3%
  3. Foran : he aint putting in

    4.3%
  4. The board of the NRL : they want us gone

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  5. Toovey : Doesn’t have what it takes

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  6. CB Bulldogs : Well why not

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  7. DCE : that Cronulla visit footage wrecked everything

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  8. Zorba : worse than an NSA plant

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  9. Quantum

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  10. Injuries

    31.5%
  1. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    There is a lot of finger pointing going on, so who is really to blame for us losing games this year ?

    Everyone is lathering themselves up, so rather than have ill direction steer us onto the rocks, why don’t we at least find out (collectively) who we think is actually to blame for our current predicament.
     
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    • conanu

      conanu Well-Known Member Premium Member

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      Scott Penn has decided that a successful football club that has been in 10 finals in a row and eight premierships isn't the right kind of business so he is going to do it his way and ruin the place to feed his ego. Oh and a coach with 10 injuries to starting players with a Prelim Final, GF runner Up, Prelim final coaching record is suddenly incompetent. These Penns are a blight on our club and are the cause of every single drama that we have had since they bought in. they are obviously petty white ants.
       
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      • JenEagle

        JenEagle Well-Known Member

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        It is an absolute travesty what has happened to this great club in the last 12 months.
         
      • davohan123

        davohan123 Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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        Here here I agree with you on your post !!
         
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        • sheridanstand78

          sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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          You forgot to add our dysfunctional boards of the last 5 years, that might have something to do with it!
           
        • Fluffy

          Fluffy Well-Known Member

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          not going to put up injuries as an option?

          We are yet to finish a game with the 17 we started
           
        • conanu

          conanu Well-Known Member Premium Member

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          They are and were the cause of our dysfunctional boards because they aren't able to work with anyone else. Its obvious to me now that they are hell bent on doing it their way regardless of how much it upsets the fans and ruins the cultural fabric of the club.
           
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          • Snake

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            Put Quantum on the list of choices.

            I will argue until I red in the face, that our problems stem from letting Glenn Stewart go. A number of very important and influential players lost their desire for the jersey when that happened, and the snowball effect has been devastating.
             
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            • sheridanstand78

              sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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              We are paying for terrible communication which has disintegrated any team harmony that was there and crushed the togetherness that was at the heart of the success of the club.
               
            • Killer03

              Killer03 Well-Known Member

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              Without sitting on the fence, I feel it's almost been a perfect storm (well perfect for every other team) that has just rocked the living **** out of us. I think pretty much everything listed has contributed to this, the divided and fighting board, which was very publicly was feuding. This then led to people taking sides, which then meant people/players (and perhaps current coaches) getting offside with people who are now back involved (ie Zorba). The circus surrounding Foran/DCE hasn't helped, and of course neither did the Gifty situation. Throw in Watmough and his bs at the end of last year, then throw in bad injuries this year......It tyhasn't helped that the golden generation of the Stewarts, Matai, Lyon, Watmough, King, Kite was coming to end a year or so ago, and then you have a new generation coming through wanting to stamp its authority.

              The list just goes on and on and on and on.

              Unfortunately I now believe the situation with current personnel is completely unworkable. A clean out is required. Quite simply things just aren't working. I feel desperately sorry for Tooves, because I feel he has been badly let down, but he needs to go. We need a new approach to rectify this situation, and we need it fast. We cannot wait 2 or 3 years and see more player like the Turbos, Gutherson etc leave. Plus I think we are starting to see our recruitment struggle. In previous years players would have jumped to come to Manly, and for less money. They knew they were a big chance of a premiership, not any more. We are going to have to pay overs for run of the mill reserve graders.
               
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              • Toddgothammered

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                we'll come good again, the key is holding onto our youth,hopefully whoever is running the club makes this a priority. we have some good players -it takes time - it's called first grade for a reason. Patience… we're just not used to being crap. We will rise again - we have too many good young players not to and after all we're Manly FFS!!
                 
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                • Eaglessss

                  Eaglessss Active Member

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                  That has nothing to do with it! It's a new season. They've been gone since last year!
                   
                • Jatz Crackers

                  Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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                  Fair point. Quantum added to the poll.
                   
                • Jatz Crackers

                  Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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                  OK. Added also.
                   
                • highlandeagle

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                  All of the above
                   
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                  • Desert Boot Kid

                    Desert Boot Kid Active Member

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                    The players that are still whining about that should be turfed out of the club today.
                     
                  • EagleFlys

                    EagleFlys Well-Known Member

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                    TO be honest with the poll starter - Gifty not being offered a contract, to me, is the start of what we see now. Odd it isn't there.
                     
                  • torana355

                    torana355 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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                    Its a combination of those things. Players not putting in (letting gift go caused this?), a rabble at board level, injuries, poor recruitment/retention and poor coaching. Put all those together and you have our current situation.

                    The biggest issue is we had a champion side that was getting on in age and our transition plan didn't work. The plan was to let some of the older players go so we could build around DCE and Foran ect This failed too fold when we let Gift go which upset half the team and DCE and Foran decided to sign elsewhere.
                     
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                  • sheridanstand78

                    sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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                    It has everything to do with it cause the seeds of this self destruction started with the Glen Steward saga and the total failure of communication which sowed the seeds of discontent in the side that have let 4 key players either leave or are about to leave. We were so strong and it is all gone to pot.
                     
                  • Eaglessss

                    Eaglessss Active Member

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                    Ask those players were they happy to leave? 1 from 4 would say yes!
                     

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