What would Bellamy, Hasler, Bennett - a good coach - do?

[Budgie]

I do feel like we have the talent but I just don't feel like Barrett is the guy - too naive, too friendly (even his kick of the icebox in the dressing room at half time was disappointingly limp!
So, because I can't think of anything much to say about our team atm, I thought I'd see what the footy brains on here think these other coaches would do differently.
I have no idea of strategy (which is why I ask) but my thoughts are:

Bellamy:
Have the players knowing their exact role in the team, ready to play to the minute, with a game plan that they understand the opposition to a T, and the players terrified to do the wrong thing while still respecting him.
Hasler:
Keep picking the same team, fight with the board, have the players terrified of him but with a certain affection, and rip the door off its hinges.
Bennett:
Have a strong game plan, fit players who are kinda scared of the boss but still respect him, hate the world, third party deals to buy all the best players baby!

Thoughts?
*I'm actually really interested to know what a good coach would do with the team we have.

 

[SeaEagle9413]

I do feel like we have the talent but I just don't feel like Barrett is the guy - too naive, too friendly (even his kick of the icebox in the dressing room at half time was disappointingly limp!
So, because I can't think of anything much to say about our team atm, I thought I'd see what the footy brains on here think these other coaches would do differently.
I have no idea of strategy (which is why I ask) but my thoughts are:

Bellamy:
Have the players knowing their exact role in the team, ready to play to the minute, with a game plan that they understand the opposition to a T, and the players terrified to do the wrong thing while still respecting him.
Hasler:
Keep picking the same team, fight with the board, have the players terrified of him but with a certain affection, and rip the door off its hinges.
Bennett:
Have a strong game plan, fit players who are kinda scared of the boss but still respect him, hate the world, third party deals to buy all the best players baby!

Thoughts?
*I'm actually really interested to know what a good coach would do with the team we have.

 

[Damien2812]

Any coach with 1st grade experience would do better then Barrett but the guys you mention would turn this current team into a top 8 side..

 

[Loobs]

I do feel like we have the talent but I just don't feel like Barrett is the guy - too naive, too friendly (even his kick of the icebox in the dressing room at half time was disappointingly limp!
So, because I can't think of anything much to say about our team atm, I thought I'd see what the footy brains on here think these other coaches would do differently.
I have no idea of strategy (which is why I ask) but my thoughts are:

Bellamy:
Have the players knowing their exact role in the team, ready to play to the minute, with a game plan that they understand the opposition to a T, and the players terrified to do the wrong thing while still respecting him.
Hasler:
Keep picking the same team, fight with the board, have the players terrified of him but with a certain affection, and rip the door off its hinges.
Bennett:
Have a strong game plan, fit players who are kinda scared of the boss but still respect him, hate the world, third party deals to buy all the best players baby!

Thoughts?
*I'm actually really interested to know what a good coach would do with the team we have.

Bellamy: cheat the cap for no real consequence. You're comparing a coach that's had the same core all time 1/7/9 for what -a decade?

Hasler: Baz flogged him already and Des was almost sacked for it for - put a line through his name.

Bennett: possibly most over rated coach in th comp considering what is at his disposal. He'd sign the current star of origin team for an average of 200k a player then sign all the best talent on the market for next year too.

People are saying Baz is a **** coach why? Because his team which has had ridiculously high turnover and has a lot of youth plays up and down? Well so does 3/4's of the league. So what!

 

[ALinda]

That's a very good question @Budgewoi Eagle and I've no idea on strategy either but I too am interested in what those coaches would do.

All I can say is:
Sure as hell they'd have Brown in NYC.
Snake and Matai's retirements would've been sorted.
A rocket would've been put up Mr Plod.
Hastings would be used a whole lot more effectively.

 

[Holmsey]

Out of those 3 those coaches they've always had dream rosters with superstars. When Wayne moved to newcastle he couldn't do anything because the roster was horrible. Coaches are only as good as their roster. Baz has a young team with a lot of old has beens.

 

[Holmsey]

That's a very good question @Budgewoi Eagle and I've no idea on strategy either but I too am interested in what those coaches would do.

All I can say is:
Sure as hell they'd have Brown in NYC.
Snake and Matai's retirements would've been sorted.
A rocket would've been put up Mr Plod.
Hastings would be used a whole lot more effectively.

Matai and Stewart's contracts are not barretts problems.

 

[mave]

Out of those 3 those coaches they've always had dream rosters with superstars. When Wayne moved to newcastle he couldn't do anything because the roster was horrible. Coaches are only as good as their roster. Baz has a young team with a lot of old has beens.

A lot of old has-beens ??

Myles, Brown, who else fits this description?

 

[TimmyQ]

For mine it all comes down to leadership. We lack a few hard nosed super competitive blokes out there that lead through actions and words. When the chips are down or we're huddled behind the posts after another try theres noone barking and demanding we step up. Thats why when we go MIA in games its not 5 mins...its 20-30 mins and by that stage the damage is done. Theres mental weakness there..coaching is not the issue..its the cattle. All the gun teams have great leaders that command respect and when they talk their team listens.. this we lack and until we get the right recruitment mix we'll be down the bottom

 

[MadMarcus]

Out of those 3 those coaches they've always had dream rosters with superstars. When Wayne moved to newcastle he couldn't do anything because the roster was horrible. Coaches are only as good as their roster. Baz has a young team with a lot of old has beens.

Who could ever forget Des' "team of superstars" circa round 1, 2004?

1. Andrew WALKER
2. Scott DONALD
3. Luke WILLIAMSON
4. Paul STEPHENSON
5. Chris HICKS
6. Jye MULLANE
7. Michael MONAGHAN
8. Daniel HECKENBERG
9. Nathan HOLLINGSWORTH
10. Ian DONNELLY
11. Sam HARRIS
12. Solomon HAUMONO
13. Steve MENZIES (c)

14. John HOPOATE
15. Kylie LEULUAI
16. Anthony WATMOUGH
17. Shayne DUNLEY

 

[Budgie]

Bellamy: cheat the cap for no real consequence. You're comparing a coach that's had the same core all time 1/7/9 for what -a decade?

Hasler: Baz flogged him already and Des was almost sacked for it for out a line through his name.

Bennett: possibly most over rated coach in th comp considering what is at his disposal. He'd sign the current star of origin team for an average of 200k a player then sign all the best talent on the market for next year too.

People are saying Baz is a **** coach why? Because his team which has had ridiculously high turnover and has a lot of youth plays up and down? Well so does 3/4's of the league. So what!

Was waiting for this post and kinda guessed it'd be from you Loobs
The thing for me as just a watcher not a player is:
Poor starts are unacceptable and leave us having to play catch up the whole game. The coach must have the most access to the players' mindsets immediately before they run out so why are they not ready?
We seem to be constantly defending our goal line. Surely this is defensive structure?
We don't have a goal kicker - actually we do in Hastings but he's not in the team.
We rest a player after six rounds when another player in the same position is out injured.
There's plenty of other little things and it's the little things that matter. In other words, our one percenters aren't one percenting.

 

[TimmyQ]

Was waiting for this post and kinda guessed it'd be from you Loobs
The thing for me as just a watcher not a player is:
Poor starts are unacceptable and leave us having to play catch up the whole game. The coach must have the most access to the players' mindsets immediately before they run out so why are they not ready?
We seem to be constantly defending our goal line. Surely this is defensive structure?
We don't have a goal kicker - actually we do in Hastings but he's not in the team.
We rest a player after six rounds when another player in the same position is out injured.
There's plenty of other little things and it's the little things that matter. In other words, our one percenters aren't one percenting.

Yup i think we have seen enuff of Dylans goal kicking to know he is a park kicker hack. Unless were in front of the sticks we all cross our fingers and toes and 'hope' it goes over. Its not good enuff and as coach and all of us know if we are to win games with an average roster we need to get all the little things right. We MUST have a goal kicker in our team. Its totally non negotiable.

 

[Loobs]

Was waiting for this post and kinda guessed it'd be from you Loobs
The thing for me as just a watcher not a player is:
Poor starts are unacceptable and leave us having to play catch up the whole game. The coach must have the most access to the players' mindsets immediately before they run out so why are they not ready?
We seem to be constantly defending our goal line. Surely this is defensive structure?
We don't have a goal kicker - actually we do in Hastings but he's not in the team.
We rest a player after six rounds when another player in the same position is out injured.
There's plenty of other little things and it's the little things that matter. In other words, our one percenters aren't one percenting.

Am I that predictable lol

Anyway I said yesterday they need to commit to owning the first 20 mins. Agree 100% they are not coming out on. Even when we've gotten ahead early like against the Bunnies they didn't own it and eventually lost it (and some).

I'm still OK with resting Myles. Why play him if he's on empty. Baz probably thought Perrett could come in and do the job.

I'm sure Baz is learning as he goes. You don't get the players putting in for that Roosters game like they did if you're not getting through to them. It's just finding the consistency in ALL aspects.

 

[Holmsey]

A lot of old has-beens ??

Myles, Brown, who else fits this description?

Not old as in age I'm talking players like Sironen who looked promising but haven't been seen in years, dce is starting to fall in that category. When our recruitment starts producing quality so will the team.

 

[ALinda]

Matai and Stewart's contracts are not barretts problems.

No, but on topic, I'm saying if we had any of those 3 coaches these contracts would've been sorted by now.

 

[SeaEagle21]

I think McGregor at Saints is showing that some coaches need a bit more time than others, even Ricky struggled for a couple of yrs after Origin until he got the right players in the right positions.

Sacking Baz isn't the answer, if the second half was as bad as the first then ok he was the problem but Storm were hanging on for dear life in the second half even with the ref letting them slow the ruck down. Holding the storm to zero in a half is a great response from the team.

 

[Harvies elbow]

The big thing for me is why has their much praised , including by me , defence fallen off.
Defence can always be improved but can also fall away if not continually practiced and reinforced into the heads.
I'm not privy to what and how much they do on it at training but if it's attitudinal then they need some mighty hard sessions to drum it back in and not forget.
Those coaches mentioned, at this point in their careers, would've achieved that by Christmas.

 

[Andrew..]

I probably have the least amount of knowledge on here. But I'm starting to wonder if we are trying to extract too many minutes out of Sironen and Winterstein and it's costing us defensively.
I realise these are big guys and they're being expected to play big minutes, so it's not a personal criticism. I'm just not sure Barrett has the bench rotation quite sorted out.

 

[Harvies elbow]

I probably have the least amount of knowledge on here. But I'm starting to wonder if we are trying to extract too many minutes out of Sironen and Winterstein and it's costing us defensively.
I realise these are big guys and they're being expected to play big minutes, so it's not a personal criticism. I'm just not sure Barrett has the bench rotation quite sorted out.

I reckoned that was a problem last year as well.
When Jake and Marty went off our momentum , if any, went out the door.

 

[Deleted member 24974]

Hasler would ask Todd Greenberg for help.
Bellamy would ask news limited for help.
Bennett just needs help.