What would Bellamy, Hasler, Bennett - a good coach - do?

[Terry Zarsoff]

Yup i think we have seen enuff of Dylans goal kicking to know he is a park kicker hack. Unless were in front of the sticks we all cross and fingers and toes and 'hope' it goes over. Its not good enuff and as coach and all of us know if we are to win games with an average roster we need to get all the little things right. We MUST have a goal kicker in our team. Its totally non negotiable.

The reality is with stronger goal kickers this year, last year (and the year before), we could have snuck into the finals in 2015/16 and be a stronger chance of making it this year. Remember that terrible night vs C-B at Brookvale in early '15 when neither DCE or Matai could land a goal?

Now if it's a 'results driven business' then the alarm bells should have been ringing before now - 'get a f-cking goal kicker who averages around 80% in all conditions!'

If that player is Hastings, get him into the starting lineup. He looks up to it, even if other parts of his game are still not fully developed. The club cannot afford to continue with average goal kickers - unless the team starts scoring every try under the posts. An unlikely outcome.

 

[susan]

Hastings to 9. All good sides have 9s who can pass well AND have a kicking game. Why can't we see that?Not having a goal kicker is also a joke that is not funny and Hastings can slot them.

Green needs to be given some time in reggies to give Cullen a crack. Can't be sure he is the answer of course but one thing he has is great passion which will lift our line speed in defence which is the key to a positive day.The middle and fringe defenders (half and 5/8)set the scene for line speed and Green is to slow on his side.

Winterstein is causing an absolute nightmare on our left. He is keen which I like but continually forces decisions on his outside men. No problem with up and in if we go together at speed but we slide and he races up.We somehow manage to get beat on the edges even when we slide so may as well give up and in a go which at least puts pressure on the ball carrier. Main thing is they buy in and work as a group .Reserve grade.Bainbridge in.

Our pack needs to work together and SUPPORT the ball carrier. Make the defenders make a decision. Right now we are gang tackled and hence slow play the balls as they know we have just one option.Sironen is the main culprit.He can hit a gap if he wants it bad enough.Also all l our second phase ball goes to DCE ,API or Tom T.Forwards are ballwatchers
Forwards rolling down the field with options left and right creates indecision,momentum and quick play the balls.

Brown just doesn't play enough minutes or provide impact. I'm not his greatest critic as he cops too much but it ain't working.

Kick chase is nearly always ordinary and is almost always led by DCE the kicker. Quick shifts by the fullback quite often allow momentum on the first play due to our staggered line.Also so many fullbacks seem to sneak out of in goal.That is attitude as is the terrible starts. Can be fixed.

Too much slide defence on our line. Make the attacker make a decision and attack together.Pressure works both ways.

 

[Loobs]

We had a 9 with a brilliant short kicking game. His name was Blake Leary!

 

[MadMarcus]

No, but on topic, I'm saying if we had any of those 3 coaches these contracts would've been sorted by now.

There's no way the NRL would dick around the Broncos, Bulldogs or Storm the way they do to us.

 

[Frogz]

We have no one that can force a drop goal so we get a repeat set, its all kick dead and give the opposition a 7 tackle set. We cant keep the pressure on opposition defence for extended periods and tire out their big men.

 

[Chip and Chase]

Forget those 3 hacks, you should be asking yourself WWBD ??

What would Brad do ?

 

[mave]

Not old as in age I'm talking players like Sironen who looked promising but haven't been seen in years, dce is starting to fall in that category. When our recruitment starts producing quality so will the team.

Ok.
Myles, Brown, Sironen and maybe DCE...anyone else ?
Thats only 4 out of a 25 man sqaud so far that you classify as "has beens".

 

[Deleted member 24974]

We have no one that can force a drop goal so we get a repeat set, its all kick dead and give the opposition a 7 tackle set. We cant keep the pressure on opposition defence for extended periods and tire out their big men.

Don't agree. DCE has one of the best kicking games in the competition. Rugby League is a team game. If the forwards are not dominant then the backs can not dominate. Manly's 10 years of dominance was built on a dominant forward pack giving room for a great backline to function. Foran and DCE looked great when Kite, Stewart, Bruher, Watmough,Ballin,Perry where dominating.

 

[Holmsey]

Hastings to 9. All good sides have 9s who can pass well AND have a kicking game. Why can't we see that?Not having a goal kicker is also a joke that is not funny and Hastings can slot them.

Green needs to be given some time in reggies to give Cullen a crack. Can't be sure he is the answer of course but one thing he has is great passion which will lift our line speed in defence which is the key to a positive day.The middle and fringe defenders (half and 5/8)set the scene for line speed and Green is to slow on his side.

Winterstein is causing an absolute nightmare on our left. He is keen which I like but continually forces decisions on his outside men. No problem with up and in if we go together at speed but we slide and he races up.Reserve grade.Bainbridge in.

Our pack needs to work together and SUPPORT the ball carrier. Make the defenders make a decision. Right now we are gang tackled and hence slow play the balls as they know we have just one option.Sironen is the main culprit.He can hit a gap if he wants it bad enough.All our second phase ball goes to DCE ,API or Tom T.Forwards are ballwatchers.

Brown just doesn't play enough minutes or provide impact. I'm not his greatest critic as he cops too much but it ain't working.

Kick chase is nearly always ordinary and is mostly led by DCE the kicker. Also so many fullbacks seem to sneak out of in goal.That is attitude as is the terrible starts. Can be fixed.

Too much slide defence on our line. Make the attacker make a decision and attack together.Pressure works both ways.

Hastings isn't a long term hookers he is a half, winter has been great and green has been poor but Cullen is not a better player and has worse defence. And second phase should always go to play makers not forwards.

 

[Holmsey]

Ok.
Myles, Brown, Sironen and maybe DCE...anyone else ?
Thats only 4 out of a 25 man sqaud so far that you classify as "has beens".

Jono wright. And seeing as dce is meant to be the captain and best player he can't be a has been anymore, and green is falling into the category to. Having your halves playing poor is a main problem.

 

[mave]

Jono wright.

Lmao..yes..he has been simply terrible for us this year.
Do you watch any games Turbo? Or just read the bullsht papers the next day ?

 

[Holmsey]

Lmao..yes..he has been simply terrible for us this year.
Do you watch any games Turbo? Or just read the bullsht papers the next day ?

Mate Its the fact he was signed, why don't we buy quality players Anymore?

 

[mave]

I honesty think we are better off waiting for next year to sign players. No one good for this year to sign, no good forwards so let's save our money. Unless we can get some releases 2018 will be only re signings. We have plenty of cash why waste on good players when we can get quality players and origin standard next year. Also re Hastings it would be really unfair on dce who is obviously benefiting from green why do we stop an effective partnership for a possible partnership? Silly idea in my opinion to wash down the drain a solid halves pairing that these 2 spent all off season on. It will ruin the whole side to take a punt on an arrogant 6 to a veteran who is playing good footy and has done for many years.

Jono wright. And seeing as dce is meant to be the captain and best player he can't be a has been anymore, and green is falling into the category to. Having your halves playing poor is a main problem.

You said the top quote on Tuesday, the bottom quote today...has the 1 game agianst Melbourne changed your mind on our halves ?

 

[Frogz]

Don't agree. DCE has one of the best kicking games in the competition. Rugby League is a team game. If the forwards are not dominant then the backs can not dominate. Manly's 10 years of dominance was built on a dominant forward pack giving room for a great backline to function. Foran and DCE looked great when Kite, Stewart, Bruher, Watmough,Ballin,Perry where dominating.

Mate we have had 17 drop outs this year.....in 2 games we forced nil on the opposition and 2 other games just the one. DCE cam kick, but our short stuff needs to improve... 4 to nil yesterday....7-2 v Parra....3 to nil v Souths. any coincidence we lost all of them games.

 

[Holmsey]

You said the top quote on Tuesday, the bottom quote today...has the 1 game agianst Melbourne changed your mind on our halves ?

I think the wins clouded my judgment but let's be honest dce hasnt really taken a game on since to dogs at brookie.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Let's not forget that whilst Bellamy is a great coach he's been blessed with having 3 of the best players ever in their positions playing for him for a decade.

Add to that he had them, plus Inglis and Filou at one stage ( agreed massively over the cap).

So sure he's had some success, and no doubt he's a great coach but you know what even our own @Technical Coach could build many teams around those 3 and be a success.

Bennett created his aura when he had the virtual QLD State of Origin team running around for him, and oh sure he won a GF for the goons, but on the back of a very big spend on players. A better indication of his status was the uninspiring two years at Newcastle and the lack of success so far back home at the Donkeys.

And De$, well yes he could coach as well BUT he also created his aura on the back of a very very good Manly side and since leaving he's had some success but no Premiership.

Would any of the three show different results with the players we have now AND the millstone around our necks that are Stewart/Matai??

I'm sure many will disagree but I think not.

Ours is a young team, with a few journeymen and a team full of inconsistent performances, even God couldn't change that!

 

[Loobs]

Let's not forget that whilst Bellamy is a great coach he's been blessed with having 3 of the best players ever in their positions playing for him for a decade.

Add to that he had them, plus Inglis and Filou at one stage ( agreed massively over the cap).

So sure he's had some success, and no doubt he's a great coach but you know what even our own @Technical Coach could build many teams around those 3 and be a success.

Bennett created his aura when he had the virtual QLD State of Origin team running around for him, and oh sure he won a GF for the goons, but on the back of a very big spend on players. A better indication of his status was the uninspiring two years at Newcastle and the lack of success so far back home at the Donkeys.

And De$, well yes he could coach as well BUT he also created his aura on the back of a very very good Manly side and since leaving he's had some success but no Premiership.

Would any of the three show different results with the players we have now AND the millstone around our necks that are Stewart/Matai??

I'm sure many will disagree but I think not.

Ours is a young team, with a few journeymen and a team full of inconsistent performances, even God couldn't change that!

Let's ask him - @God are you there?

 

[Frogz]

Let's not forget that whilst Bellamy is a great coach he's been blessed with having 3 of the best players ever in their positions playing for him for a decade.

Add to that he had them, plus Inglis and Filou at one stage ( agreed massively over the cap).

So sure he's had some success, and no doubt he's a great coach but you know what even our own @Technical Coach could build many teams around those 3 and be a success.

Bennett created his aura when he had the virtual QLD State of Origin team running around for him, and oh sure he won a GF for the goons, but on the back of a very big spend on players. A better indication of his status was the uninspiring two years at Newcastle and the lack of success so far back home at the Donkeys.

And De$, well yes he could coach as well BUT he also created his aura on the back of a very very good Manly side and since leaving he's had some success but no Premiership.

Would any of the three show different results with the players we have now AND the millstone around our necks that are Stewart/Matai??

I'm sure many will disagree but I think not.

Ours is a young team, with a few journeymen and a team full of inconsistent performances, even God couldn't change that!

Would any of those 3 coaches put together a squad like ours or would they have had far more input into its make up, thats the difference I think. Baz has been given a team, not picked/bought a team that he wants. IMO

 

[double hoops]

API out. Hastings in. And with in a couple of weeks our problems are solved.

 

[robbiea]

Let's ask him - @God are you there?

More sniffing of one's own farts this last week it seemed !!