What’s really killing our 2025 season?

[Scorpio]

I don't think there are any true fans of Seibold. There are those who think he's not a good 1st grade coach, and those who overlook this fact. But no one really believes he's actually good coach.

As Manly coach, Seibold currently has a higher win percentage than Barrett (not a high bar to clear there) but also currently higher than Des (his immediate predecessor) had across his entire second stint at Manly.

To me that's enough of a sample size to suggest we have other problems to address as a higher priority than the guy in the coach's box...

 

[bob dylan]

I agree Bob. We need a proven coach to instil discipline, pride and respect back in the place. Not sure about Demetrieou - think he would be more of the same. Looked like the senior players were running the ship at Souths when he was in “charge”.

Thats who I believe we will get if Seibold goes.

Certainly not what we want or need.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Spend some money on some promising juniors that are on the fringes of the better clubs ie Melbourne, Broncos, Panthers ,etc. as well as throwing a few of our own. I recount that Warea Hargreaves was one of those players that couldnt get a run on in our 1st grade team and was on the fringes and the Roosters saw the talent. The good money should be spent on at least player who has at least tasted some premiership success and was a pivotal figure .Players such as Mavrik Geyer, Bronson Garlick, Wiremu Greig, Kobe Hethrington,etc.

 

[eaglebuzz]

Something was definitely off in that Sharks game. We had so many players throw "offloads" that went directly to a Sharks player. It happened so many times it bordered on match fixing. And our defense was woeful.

 

[double hoops]

I just think it's this club's spectacular ability to self implode one way or another year after year. From rediculous player recruitment to dramas with players and administrators, to insane decisions and the constant stream of injuries to key players. There's no stability in the place and that filters down to player attitudes.

Absolutely agree that if this club ever wants to build resilience, what need is STABILITY and slog this out.

As fans of this club have we all become conditioned to seeing this team self implode, and what follows next is sack the coach. That will fix it yeah!

Same with Broncos and Kev, and this year, surprise surprise new coach, 99 new methods, a harder approach more discipline but yeah just like implosions at Manly, it's deja vu, just rince repeat.

If you want change. STABILITY. Get everyone inside, lock the doors, have some open, honest, discussions. Put on the gloves and let em go at it. And fix it.

Dogs seemed to do alright after have wrestling sessions against the entire team.

OK a few players threw their toys out of the cot, or headed to court , but did the problem if it was work ethic get fixed?

An implosion not a bad thing, if it's actually the learning needed to identify parts broken and if it can be fixed, or needs to just be shipped.

But if what's broken isn't the coach, having a new one with 99 new ways of doing things means stuff all, if you havent actually learned anything from the past and fixed what is ****ed.

Insanity.

 

[Pete W]

As Manly coach, Seibold currently has a higher win percentage than Barrett (not a high bar to clear there) but also currently higher than Des (his immediate predecessor) had across his entire second stint at Manly.

To me that's enough of a sample size to suggest we have other problems to address as a higher priority than the guy in the coach's box...

Obviously I agree this is not our issue atm, as I have stated in another thread. (I was referring to posters commenting on 'Seibold fanboys')

But just taking a step back from our current situation (challenges will always be testing any organisation year after year, and it is plain to see that Manly crumble at the first sign of adversity without previously staunch leadership in guys like Arko, Bozo, Hasler etc - this is just the latest example), I feel that aside from the owner, a club must have a top line CEO, Football Manager, Head Coach, and Captain. Moving forward, whilst Mestrov and Gentle may or may not turn out to be the right men for their jobs, I have been absolutely sure, and from the beginning, that Seibold and Cherry-Evans are not.

P.S. Speaking of great leadership, if Manly miss the 8 this year, then only 4 clubs across the NRL have missed the finals more than us over the last 11 seasons. Without a doubt, Penn and Cherry-Evans have overseen the worst decade in over 60 years of Manly's rich history

 

[Disco]

Spend some money on some promising juniors that are on the fringes of the better clubs ie Melbourne, Broncos, Panthers ,etc. as well as throwing a few of our own. I recount that Warea Hargreaves was one of those players that couldnt get a run on in our 1st grade team and was on the fringes and the Roosters saw the talent. The good money should be spent on at least player who has at least tasted some premiership success and was a pivotal figure .Players such as Mavrik Geyer, Bronson Garlick, Wiremu Greig, Kobe Hethrington,etc.

I like the concept of stealing promising juniors from succesful clubs but do not like your examples there.

Geyer may kick on but I dont think the other 3 improve us at all. In fact Greig would be a backward step.

I'd be much more inclined for Wilson, Te Kura, Mozer, Piakura, Black, Henry, Hassett, Patea, Vaalepu.

That said a talented junior is a talented junior.

A player like Tallyn De Silva shouldn't be discounted cause he is from the Tigers.

 

[Bearfax]

As Manly coach, Seibold currently has a higher win percentage than Barrett (not a high bar to clear there) but also currently higher than Des (his immediate predecessor) had across his entire second stint at Manly.

To me that's enough of a sample size to suggest we have other problems to address as a higher priority than the guy in the coach's box...

I agree in part that there are other factors but Siebold has a better stable of players than Barrett and Hasler had, not that I'm defending their efforts. This side should be very close to a top 4 side given the talent out there.and Turbo on the field.

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

I find Matty Johns so called bombshell super DCE conspiracy hard to understand. I find it is more of a case of making a headline as to any meaningful insight. If the Roosters are freeing up cap space to sign up DCE before the June 30 deadline I would find it hard to accept that Souths agreed to take Brandon Smith ( supposedly a large portion of this war chest ) on for the rest of this season anywhere near his normal going rate. He is still recovering from an ACL injury and might be technically fit to play in another few weeks also but I would imagine it will still take a significant amount of additional time to get him up to match fitness and a form level where he could make a significant contribution. Roosters have moved him on for unders because they don’t see him making a positive contribution this year, if anything most likely a negative one on the playing group due to appears to be bad blood with the club. They did exactly the same thing with Matt Lodge.

I suspect young Joey Walsh is currently been groomed to potentially cover for DCE for a game or two during the origin series.

 

[lsz]

100% fact
Yeh it's funny how a certain mod who know zero about the game, feels a coach does not influence or "motivate" a player.
It's true players "should" have self motivation, but if the coach loses the dressing room it's common sense this shows on the footy field - well for those who understand the game.
The coach is a Massive part of players mindset and EVERY player will state this as fact and can contribute greatly to whole hearted or weak performances.
Maybe to be objective...we can listen to them.
It's a Silvertails forum and pretty funny someone who adds zero intelligence, can judge others that do

Lord I hope you are not referring to me as I am very much in agreement that I have zero knowledge on the game!

I do agree that it is far more than just one problem although we have a game plan built around areas where we seem to either have no reliability (like turbo) or depth like the forwards

 

[47MVEagle]

It's funny how if you don't regularly post "Sack Seibold" & constantly criticise & blame him as being the sole reason for our situation, you're seen as a "Seibold fan boy".

What is this, high school?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

It's funny how if you don't regularly post "Sack Seibold" & constantly criticise & blame him as being the sole reason for our situation, you're seen as a "Seibold fan boy".

What is this, high school?

I have a poster of Seibs on my wall and each night I try to send him positive thoughts of love and support. He's really inspired me, especially to make better use of my weapons.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

He also inspired me to try Maccas again, I'd been off it for years. (Still don't like it tho!!)

 

[Rocky]

For what its worth I think Seibold is an average NRL coach - i.e clearly not in the top echelon- but also not the worst.

But that's just an opinion. Lets deal in facts with what he is dealing with this year

• DCE on around $1.2m - checked out, intent on destabilising the team and playing like a Reggie's halfback.
• Tom on $1.3m - either missing on playing busted
• Jake on $900k - out of form and looking tired and slow
• Paseka on around $700k (and the best prop) - out for the season with an achilles injury

That's over 1/3 of the salary cap right there and yet Manly are still in the top8.

And all the guys on here whingeing have put Brad Arthur as the best candidate to take over from him. Go and look up his coaching record.

FMD.

 

[Raven Mad Manly Fan]

Penn needs to offer the Clearys a truckload of cash. Or maybe go after Trent Robinson or Bellamy. He should already be talking to some of these.

Ivan Cleary is the only person who can deliver us a premiership. Every premiership we've ever won has been with a Manly person as the coach. We need Cleary desperately (and his son would be a handy replacement for DCE too). Unfortunately as long as that cheap-skate, tight-arse owner of ours is here it will never happen. Ivan is our only hope, but any chance of Penn offering a truckload of cash to Ivan is just fantasy stuff. We're aint ever going to see another premiership while Penn's here.

 

[Brookie1973]

It's funny how if you don't regularly post "Sack Seibold" & constantly criticise & blame him as being the sole reason for our situation, you're seen as a "Seibold fan boy".

What is this, high school?

I think you will find the “fan boy” moniker only applies to those who refuse to accept any criticism of the coach. Everyone knows we have lots of problems, but some take the view that a change of coach may have a greater chance of turning things around than say, hoping for a mystery random billionaire to buy the club and start outbidding uncle Nick and the Storm “system” in the player market.

 

[maxta]

Lord I hope you are not referring to me as I am very much in agreement that I have zero knowledge on the game!

I do agree that it is far more than just one problem although we have a game plan built around areas where we seem to either have no reliability (like turbo) or depth like the forwards

Definitely not mate - always insightful and you bring plenty to the table including "having an opinion" and respecting others.....even if you see it different.

It is far more than 1 problem and this is why this topic will go around in many circles, but same time makes it interesting, but for what it's worth the responsability is from in a big way the players - to coaching (including staff) - to injuries - to maybe a tad of "inhouse" friction/divisions since the DCE "sudden" announcement.

 

[BOZO]

What has been Killing our Seasons

1. The Inept Trent Barrett
Where is he now?
Sacked head coach at Manly Sacked head coach at he Dogs an now a demoted Assistant coach

2. The Declining Des Hasler Mark II
Where is he Now?
Sacked at the Dogs , Sacked at Manly and he is no longer flying under the radar but under scrutiny of being Sacked at the under performing Titans

3. The underwhelming Seibold
Where is he Now ?
The coach of proud losses with a team of weapons that fail to fire has had his contract extended Extending The Sea eagles Decade of Premiership Winning Decline

Do Great Head coaches really make a Difference ?
Great coaches do make a Great Difference and this is why they are called Great and not Mediocre

 

[Rocky]

What has been Killing our Seasons

1. The Inept Trent Barrett
Where is he now?
Sacked head coach at Manly Sacked head coach at he Dogs an now a demoted Assistant coach

2. The Declining Des Hasler Mark II
Where is he Now?
Sacked at the Dogs , Sacked at Manly and he is no longer flying under the radar but under scrutiny of being Sacked at the under performing Titans

3. The underwhelming Seibold
Where is he Now ?
The coach of proud losses with a team of weapons that fail to fire has had his contract extended Extending The Sea eagles Decade of Premiership Winning Decline

Do Great Head coaches really make a Difference ?
Great coaches do make a Great Difference and this is why they are called Great and not Mediocre

You forgot to mention "checked out cherry-evans"

 

[Wombat64]

What has been Killing our Seasons

1. The Inept Trent Barrett
Where is he now?
Sacked head coach at Manly Sacked head coach at he Dogs an now a demoted Assistant coach

2. The Declining Des Hasler Mark II
Where is he Now?
Sacked at the Dogs , Sacked at Manly and he is no longer flying under the radar but under scrutiny of being Sacked at the under performing Titans

3. The underwhelming Seibold
Where is he Now ?
The coach of proud losses with a team of weapons that fail to fire has had his contract extended Extending The Sea eagles Decade of Premiership Winning Decline

Do Great Head coaches really make a Difference ?
Great coaches do make a Great Difference and this is why they are called Great and not Mediocre

The cow makes the freshest milk and this man coaches it to give it to him every day. Moral of the story ...... milk matters.