Van Nguyen
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Thanks for bringing this discussion back to some dignity.
To think that somehow you're more "experienced" because you've tried drugs is drawing a very long bow.
Also Dan may be sitting back thinking he's had the most experiences..bla bla bla.
But I was offered drugs hundreds at times at night clubs, raves, dance parties. Freinds houses etc. By freinds and strangers.
I never seemed the point in doing stuff I knew was no good for you.
I guess I also didn't because I had a life outside of clubbing which was sport.
To be honest i'm proud of being involved with people who did the stuff and I still said no to drugs.
I wasn't judgemental I didn't lecture I simply said NO and I was accepted as a friend etc.
What can I say............I'm not a follower!
To think that somehow you're more "experienced" because you've tried drugs is drawing a very long bow.
Also Dan may be sitting back thinking he's had the most experiences..bla bla bla.
But I was offered drugs hundreds at times at night clubs, raves, dance parties. Freinds houses etc. By freinds and strangers.
I never seemed the point in doing stuff I knew was no good for you.
I guess I also didn't because I had a life outside of clubbing which was sport.
To be honest i'm proud of being involved with people who did the stuff and I still said no to drugs.
I wasn't judgemental I didn't lecture I simply said NO and I was accepted as a friend etc.
What can I say............I'm not a follower!
Matabele
Journey Man
To an extent I see your reasoning Dan. However, you can't divorce the "fun" from the ramifications.
Is a lifetime battling depression worth a few years of pot smoking for "fun" and "experimentation" at university? After the last few days the answer for me is an emphatic "no". I'd just about give anything to have that time back again and do it differently. Obviously I can't and I have to accept that I will live with lifelong consequences for it.
When I was 20 this whole bull**** debate (that still rages) that "pot is harmless" was still raging and I naively did what I did on the strength of a lot of misinformation. I see nothing wrong about using my experiences to warn others in the same scenario about the mistakes I've made in the hopes that they learn without the pain.
However I am generally a firm believer in saying something once, and then moving on. Little can be gained by brow beating someone into something - regardless of how dangerous is the road they're about to take.
Incidentally, Mike has replied to your questions elsewhere. If I were you I'd consider them carefully as he does speak from having come back from the abyss in the area in question.
Clontaago - the difference between drugs and alcohol (as you ask Byso) is that one is psychotic and the other isn't. I think you would agree that there are degrees of vices.
exactly, everyone makes their own choices on these things. I wonder if these drugs were not around would there be more cases of alcoholism?
also what does having travelled to more places than Byso have to do with this arguement? Means you have more experience in other cultures but dont see the point for it now.
also what does having travelled to more places than Byso have to do with this arguement? Means you have more experience in other cultures but dont see the point for it now.
Garts it is about a point that byso brought up about being narrow minded. I put it to you that someone as well travelled as i am has a far wider view of the world than someone who has not travelled. Its simple if you have only seen so much, you can not talk from experience.
To an extent I see your reasoning Dan. However, you can't divorce the "fun" from the ramifications.
Is a lifetime battling depression worth a few years of pot smoking for "fun" and "experimentation" at university? After the last few days the answer for me is an emphatic "no". I'd just about give anything to have that time back again and do it differently. Obviously I can't and I have to accept that I will live with lifelong consequences for it.
When I was 20 this whole bull**** debate (that still rages) that "pot is harmless" was still raging and I naively did what I did on the strength of a lot of misinformation. I see nothing wrong about using my experiences to warn others in the same scenario about the mistakes I've made in the hopes that they learn without the pain.
However I am generally a firm believer in saying something once, and then moving on. Little can be gained by brow beating someone into something - regardless of how dangerous is the road they're about to take.
Incidentally, Mike has replied to your questions elsewhere. If I were you I'd consider them carefully as he does speak from having come back from the abyss in the area in question.
Clontaago - the difference between drugs and alcohol (as you ask Byso) is that one is psychotic and the other isn't. I think you would agree that there are degrees of vices.
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I put it to you with your past you were destined to be a manic depressant anyway!
But blame the drugs if you will.
Post is no more psychotic than alcohol, not that i take pot or condone its use, I think it is a little far fetched to say it is worse than alcohol. Especially when you look back at what alcohol has done to many throughout history. Need we mention the depravationof society in the UK due to Gin upon its introduction?
it can be brought on by a traumatic experience, not just drugs like pot. It seems a little far fetched for you to blame your issues on pot.....
From some of the things you have told me about land mines etc, I would say those repressed memories have been sitting in there eating away at your seritonum
From some of the things you have told me about land mines etc, I would say those repressed memories have been sitting in there eating away at your seritonum
Matabele
Journey Man
Dan I have far better things to do with my time than to sit here discussing my condition with a google specialist bloody know-all when you know diddly squat about my condition, nor are you likely to!
I am treated by one of this country's pre-eminent specialists on the condition who also happens to be a very close friend.
So I suggest you stick you hook and/or your uncontrolled ego up your colon and go and needle someone else.
(And no, this is not a gee-up. I'm taking a break)
Ciao
I am treated by one of this country's pre-eminent specialists on the condition who also happens to be a very close friend.
So I suggest you stick you hook and/or your uncontrolled ego up your colon and go and needle someone else.
(And no, this is not a gee-up. I'm taking a break)
Ciao
jeez dude settle down. I was speculating only.
Considering there is not yet any solid evidence or proof that "Pot" can cause depression or a chemical imbalance it seems a little far fetched to throw your blame in that direction. There are many around who have smoked plenty of pot but dont suffer the same as you!
And know I only know the little of your condition that you have told me. I wasn't fishing merely discussing it. I thought you were the type of person who was open to discussing other possibilities, perhaps i was more than wrong.......
When there is solid evidence that pot causes depression, then I will believe but at this point in time, there is more conflicting data on the subject than there is close to anything exact or correct. So I obstain from placing blame
Considering there is not yet any solid evidence or proof that "Pot" can cause depression or a chemical imbalance it seems a little far fetched to throw your blame in that direction. There are many around who have smoked plenty of pot but dont suffer the same as you!
And know I only know the little of your condition that you have told me. I wasn't fishing merely discussing it. I thought you were the type of person who was open to discussing other possibilities, perhaps i was more than wrong.......
When there is solid evidence that pot causes depression, then I will believe but at this point in time, there is more conflicting data on the subject than there is close to anything exact or correct. So I obstain from placing blame
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior
Depression(19), anxiety(20), and personality disturbances(21) have been associated with marijuana use. Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off(22, 23).
Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their non-smoking peers(24, 25, 26, 27). A study of 129 college students found that, for heavy users of marijuana (those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days), critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours(28). The heavy marijuana users in the study had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had used marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time.
More recently, the same researchers showed that the ability of a group of long-term heavy marijuana users to recall words from a list remained impaired for a week after quitting, but returned to normal within 4 weeks(29). Thus, it is possible that some cognitive abilities may be restored in individuals who quit smoking marijuana, even after long-term heavy use.
Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover. A study of municipal workers found that those who used marijuana on or off the job reported more “withdrawal behaviorsâ€ÂÂâ€â€Âsuch as leaving work without permission, daydreaming, spending work time on personal matters, and shirking tasksâ€â€Âthat adversely affect productivity and morale(30). In another study, marijuana users reported that use of the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including cognitive abilities, career status, social life, and physical and mental health(31).
Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior
Depression(19), anxiety(20), and personality disturbances(21) have been associated with marijuana use. Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off(22, 23).
Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their non-smoking peers(24, 25, 26, 27). A study of 129 college students found that, for heavy users of marijuana (those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days), critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours(28). The heavy marijuana users in the study had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had used marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time.
More recently, the same researchers showed that the ability of a group of long-term heavy marijuana users to recall words from a list remained impaired for a week after quitting, but returned to normal within 4 weeks(29). Thus, it is possible that some cognitive abilities may be restored in individuals who quit smoking marijuana, even after long-term heavy use.
Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover. A study of municipal workers found that those who used marijuana on or off the job reported more “withdrawal behaviorsâ€ÂÂâ€â€Âsuch as leaving work without permission, daydreaming, spending work time on personal matters, and shirking tasksâ€â€Âthat adversely affect productivity and morale(30). In another study, marijuana users reported that use of the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including cognitive abilities, career status, social life, and physical and mental health(31).
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/mentalhealth/messages/30807.html
anon
03/23/2000
. my 28 year old wife suffers from depression and anxiety and has most of her life. She also has smoked pot daily most of her life. Both run wild on her father's side of the family. She is now on prozac yet still has enourmous disdain for society and professionals (particullarly doctors.) Every doctor has advised that she stop smoking pot, but because no one has said exactly why she refuses and chalks it up as "they have to say that because it's illegal....they probably smoke too." What medically known correlations exist between pot and depression - effects on the cause and/or treatment that can bring her back to sanity? She wants to move to the mountains and join a commune because she can't find happiness in the real world!
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Anon,
Marijuana intoxication and chronic daily use has been linked to depression, anxiety and diminished motivation. It has also been noted that those with concurrent ongoing marijuana abuse/anxiety are much less likely to respond to treatment of these disorders. Multiple medical problems have also been associated with marijuana use including significant cardiopulmonary impairment. I hope this is helpful. Good luck.
Sincerely,
HFHS MD-JM
anon
03/23/2000
. my 28 year old wife suffers from depression and anxiety and has most of her life. She also has smoked pot daily most of her life. Both run wild on her father's side of the family. She is now on prozac yet still has enourmous disdain for society and professionals (particullarly doctors.) Every doctor has advised that she stop smoking pot, but because no one has said exactly why she refuses and chalks it up as "they have to say that because it's illegal....they probably smoke too." What medically known correlations exist between pot and depression - effects on the cause and/or treatment that can bring her back to sanity? She wants to move to the mountains and join a commune because she can't find happiness in the real world!
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Anon,
Marijuana intoxication and chronic daily use has been linked to depression, anxiety and diminished motivation. It has also been noted that those with concurrent ongoing marijuana abuse/anxiety are much less likely to respond to treatment of these disorders. Multiple medical problems have also been associated with marijuana use including significant cardiopulmonary impairment. I hope this is helpful. Good luck.
Sincerely,
HFHS MD-JM
Ohh that has so much information on an actual scientific study it isnt funny!
Byso re-read it and show me the relevance to a short term light user and depression!
It states that long term heavy use may have issues to do with memory but nothing about depression!
Byso re-read it and show me the relevance to a short term light user and depression!
It states that long term heavy use may have issues to do with memory but nothing about depression!
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