Somehow I don't see the relevance. Whether they won premierships or shared the wooden spoon makes no difference. I'm sure Turbo would treasure a premiership just as much as those two. Would we say to Olakau'atu, Schuster, Koula ' Hey guys, dont play SOO because you haven't been in a premiership winning side yet'. I'm sure that would go down well. This is the peak of Rugby league and to play it is a great honour. Do you want to deny a lfe time ambition to play at the top of the game, not to mention the dollar value to your CV. Granted Turbo has been out of the game for a lot of the past 4 years, including some SOOs. When he's fit and playing would anyone question his application and worth to the team.