Trump

[Adz]

Not sure how disproving a point is missing the point, but I’m sure you know what you mean.

I am sure you don't...
Referencing material from the past to make a point,it is irrelevant what triggered it.

 

[Woodsie]

42K views · 677 reactions | John Fetterman brings the Kennedy Center to complete silence as he delivers this emotional message on stage: “I know and I love people who voted for President Trump. They are NOT fascists, they’re NOT Nazis, they’re NOT t

John Fetterman brings the Kennedy Center to complete silence as he delivers this emotional message on stage: “I know and I love people who voted for President Trump. They are NOT fascists, they’re...

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[lsz]

You asked me to explain my conspiracy theory, which I did. It’s a bit hard to find “sources” when the theory is that mainstream media has been politicised.

Okay just so I am clear.

You can not find sources because the mainstream media has been politicised? You get how that sounds right?

 

[Cliffycomeback]

I am sure you don't...
Referencing material from the past to make a point,it is irrelevant what triggered it.

You are the one missing the point. The dishonesty doesn't come from referencing past material. To imply that's why people were shining a light on @47MVEagle is not accurate. He tried to slip in an article about Trump's actions when he wasn't the President as if the material was written during his second term. It was entirely underhanded and very obvious.

Said poster then attempted to spam the thread with other articles to conceal his motives. Frankly, it is pathetic that you feel the need to defend him. There is enough questionable material on Trump to encourage genuine debate. There is no need to be sly in order to strengthen that narrative unless a person is brainwashed or intellectually out of their depth.

 

[lsz]

The point is that Trump takes unscripted press questions from a room full of journalists on a daily basis. I can forgive him some missteps on the basis these are far outweighed by the benefits of having a leader who speaks his mind transparently. Biden on the other hand hid from the press and only read words prepared by someone else from a teleprompter.

I appreciate your point on Biden.

Now lets talk about the missteps as you put it.

I do not think he is unintelligent just someone who is (rightly) showing his age like anyone does. That combined with his continual mis representation of known facts is something that is worth consideration.

Sure it is great he is out there flooding the zone talking every day but the mis truths and the missteps are having a far reaching impact on the overall confidence in the government from the non maga people

Simple stuff like this lack of maths over and over

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978912764723646682

For those of us who are non maga what this means is we do not believe anything he says about drug prices when it is such a clear and obvious mis representation. Yes this does not impact me as an Australian but it makes me wonder about say his tariff policy on beef (something that directly impacts me) when he can not even get basic numbers correct...and if he can why does he keep saying something so wrong?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

42K views · 677 reactions | John Fetterman brings the Kennedy Center to complete silence as he delivers this emotional message on stage: “I know and I love people who voted for President Trump. They are NOT fascists, they’re NOT Nazis, they’re NOT t

John Fetterman brings the Kennedy Center to complete silence as he delivers this emotional message on stage: “I know and I love people who voted for President Trump. They are NOT fascists, they’re...

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Quite short - someone saying let's turn down the temperature, not use inflammatory rhetoric such as calling people Nazis or fascists. Relates this to Kirk's murder.

Toning down the hate and vitriol and divisive language seems a great idea, but has anyone noticed Trump and his followers toning down their own language? I haven't! They continue to use terms such as radical far left, corrupt
Trump has called Comey a dirty cop, bad person, SLIMEBALL, a sick person, one of the worst human beings...
all these since Kirk's murder.
So would you like to see Trump & co tone down their rhetoric? or only his opponents?

 

[Highflier]

Looks like Brookie is angling for a guest spot on Fox and Friends. A true believer, Trump was right about everything, and all rational criticisms laughed off with slick insults and facile one-liners.

This clown has single-handedly ruined this thread as a place where people can try to talk about Trump and his effect on the world (and Australia)

Gee counsellor thats a little beneath you resorting to name calling ??
Surely we can keep the discussion robust yet reasonably polite.
I mean we are only doing this because we are all addicted to this forum and for Manly footy matters in the main yet some of us can't help being drawn into discussions like this, for better or worse!

 

[Highflier]

The point is that Trump takes unscripted press questions from a room full of journalists on a daily basis. I can forgive him some missteps on the basis these are far outweighed by the benefits of having a leader who speaks his mind transparently. Biden on the other hand hid from the press and only read words prepared by someone else from a teleprompter.

or written by the AI controlling " auto pen "

 

[lsz]

or written by the AI controlling " auto pen "

I am confused (as always)

I understood the auto pen controversy was around him signing executive orders as stated here

Republican leading inquiry into Biden’s autopen use has digitally signed letters

James Comer has used a digital signature on documents throughout his investigation into Biden’s use of an autopen

www.theguardian.com

Is there a belief more was done or is it that he did not know what he was signing?

 

[Adz]

You are the one missing the point. The dishonesty doesn't come from referencing past material. To imply that's why people were shining a light on @47MVEagle is not accurate. He tried to slip in an article about Trump's actions when he wasn't the President as if the material was written during his second term. It was entirely underhanded and very obvious.

Said poster then attempted to spam the thread with other articles to conceal his motives. Frankly, it is pathetic that you feel the need to defend him. There is enough questionable material on Trump to encourage genuine debate. There is no need to be sly in order to strengthen that narrative unless a person is brainwashed or intellectually out of their depth.

Lol,get it right,it was not even the poster you are talking about FFS 😂
Notice the tumbleweeds about my other posts?
People focussing on the irrelevant..
I am not defending anyone,try some more BS........

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Gee counsellor thats a little beneath you resorting to name calling ??
Surely we can keep the discussion robust yet reasonably polite.
I mean we are only doing this because we are all addicted to this forum and for Manly footy matters in the main yet some of us can't help being drawn into discussions like this, for better or worse!

There's more than one way to insult someone. I generally prefer to be upfront about it (as opposed, for example, to simply disrespecting another persons' point by ridiculing it/pretending you never saw it/deflection/diversion etc

(PS ...and... 'counsellor'? I'm not American, and I'm not a lawyer (I work as a gardener)

 

[47MVEagle]

You are the one missing the point. The dishonesty doesn't come from referencing past material. To imply that's why people were shining a light on @47MVEagle is not accurate. He tried to slip in an article about Trump's actions when he wasn't the President as if the material was written during his second term. It was entirely underhanded and very obvious.

Said poster then attempted to spam the thread with other articles to conceal his motives. Frankly, it is pathetic that you feel the need to defend him. There is enough questionable material on Trump to encourage genuine debate. There is no need to be sly in order to strengthen that narrative unless a person is brainwashed or intellectually out of their depth.

What are you dribbling about?

How about some facts, which seem to be kryptonite to a lot of you.

I posted the 4 below quoted articles BEFORE I posted that one about the watches.

Response from Trump fans: zilch, zero, nada, tumbleweeds.

I then posted the watch article & it was immediately seized upon by the Trumpsters as some sort of “gotcha” moment because it was written after his first term & before his second term, & has been used in a transparent attempt to question the credibility of everything else I posted prior to & after that article.

My point was, & still is, that he is currently selling these watches (& lots of other stuff, including his crypto coin) whilst serving as US president when the US constitution forbids it i.e. it is illegal for him to do so.

Again, interesting that the Trumpers all focused on the date the article was written & not the content of the 4 articles I posted prior to it, nor the point that Trump is still selling these watches - that includes you.

So as I stated a couple of pages ago, there’s no point in entering genuine discussion with Trump supporters because they are intellectually dishonest & will never enter honest discussion, instead they will deflect, trivialise, “whatabout” & play dumb (although I’m not so sure there’s much playing actually going on there).

Good point.

"As of October 7, 2025, a total of 1,563 confirmed* measles cases were reported in the United States. Among these, 1,542 measles cases were reported by 42 jurisdictions: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York City, New York State, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. A total of 21 measles cases were reported among international visitors to the U.S.

There have been 44 outbreaks** reported in 2025, and 87% of confirmed cases (1,355 of 1,563) are outbreak-associated. For comparison, 16 outbreaks were reported during 2024 and 69% of cases (198 of 285) were outbreak-associated."

Measles Cases and Outbreaks

Find the latest numbers of confirmed U.S. measles cases. CDC updates this page weekly.

www.cdc.gov

"In a Cabinet meeting last week, Trump repeated claims that autism rates are low in some groups, including the Amish community, because they don't take medications or get vaccinated."

""I think I can say that there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines and don't take any pills, that have no autism," Trump said.

After Kennedy referenced the Amish, Trump continued, "The Amish. Yeah, virtually -- I heard none ... You have certain groups, the Amish as an example. They have essentially no autism."

Later, Trump repeated the claim, saying, "It doesn't exist with the Amish community, and they don't take all of this junk. It doesn't exist.""

Debunking 3 claims about Tylenol after White House links drug's use in pregnancy to autism

Since the White House made an announcement linking Tylenol use in pregnancy to autism, misinformation about the drug has been spreading online.

abcnews.go.com

Trump urges Israel's president to pardon Netanyahu​

"Oct 13 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump urged Israeli President Isaac Herzog on Monday to pardon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is on trial for corruption, during an address to the Israeli parliament in Jerusalem."

"Netanyahu was indicted in 2019 in three cases, one of which includes receiving almost 700,000 shekels ($210,000) in gifts from businessmen, including champagne and cigars.

Israel's President holds a largely ceremonial role but he does have authority to pardon convicted criminal if there are unusual circumstances presented.

However, there has been no ruling in Netanyahu's long-running trial which began in 2020 and has been interrupted frequently during two years of war and Middle East upheaval. He has pleaded not guilty and denied any wrongdoing.

Trump in June called for Netanyahu's trial to be cancelled. Netanyahu has cast his legal ordeal as a left-wing witch-hunt aimed at toppling an elected right-wing leader."

Sound familiar?

Trump urges Israel's president to pardon Netanyahu

U.S. President Donald Trump urged Israeli President Isaac Herzog on Monday to pardon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is on trial for corruption, during an address to the Israeli parliament in Jerusalem.

www.reuters.com

Netanyahu corruption trial: What you need to know​

CASE 4000​

Prosecutors allege Netanyahu granted regulatory favours worth around 1.8 billion shekels (about $500 million) to Bezeq Telecom Israel (BEZQ.TA). In return, prosecutors say, he sought positive coverage of himself and his wife Sara on a news website controlled by the company's former chairman, Shaul Elovitch. In this case, Netanyahu has been charged with bribery, fraud and breach of trust.

CASE 1000​

Netanyahu has been charged with fraud and breach of trust over allegations that he and his wife wrongfully received almost 700,000 shekels ($210,000) in gifts from Arnon Milchan, a Hollywood producer and an Israeli citizen, and Australian billionaire businessman James Packer. Prosecutors said gifts included champagne and cigars and that Netanyahu helped Milchan with his business interests. Packer and Milchan face no charges.

CASE 2000​

Netanyahu allegedly negotiated a deal with Arnon Mozes, owner of Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper, for better coverage in return for legislation to slow the growth of a rival newspaper. Netanyahu has been charged with fraud and breach of trust."

Netanyahu corruption trial: What you need to know

Charged with bribery, fraud and breach of trust, Netanyahu will testify three times a week.

www.reuters.com

 

[47MVEagle]

One more time for the dummies - note article is dated 10th October 2025.

“Commercials for Donald Trump’s “Fight, Fight, Fight” watch collection are now running regularly on the Newsmaxchannel.”

Trump runs ads for his ‘Fight, Fight, Fight’ watch collection regularly on Newsmax

‘Hello everyone it’s President Donald J Trump and it’s Trump time,’ the president says in one of the latest ads

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Cliffycomeback]

What are you dribbling about?

How about some facts, which seem to be kryptonite to a lot of you.

I posted the 4 below quoted articles BEFORE I posted that one about the watches.

Response from Trump fans: zilch, zero, nada, tumbleweeds.

I then posted the watch article & it was immediately seized upon by the Trumpsters as some sort of “gotcha” moment because it was written after his first term & before his second term, & has been used in a transparent attempt to question the credibility of everything else I posted prior to & after that article.

My point was, & still is, that he is currently selling these watches (& lots of other stuff, including his crypto coin) whilst serving as US president when the US constitution forbids it i.e. it is illegal for him to do so.

Again, interesting that the Trumpers all focused on the date the article was written & not the content of the 4 articles I posted prior to it, nor the point that Trump is still selling these watches - that includes you.

So as I stated a couple of pages ago, there’s no point in entering genuine discussion with Trump supporters because they are intellectually dishonest & will never enter honest discussion, instead they will deflect, trivialise, “whatabout” & play dumb (although I’m not so sure there’s much playing actually going on there).

So are you really implying that Clinton, O'Bama and Biden made no business deals that resulted in them gaining wealth while they were Presidents? If so, you are even more I'll informed than I believed.

 

[47MVEagle]

So are you really implying that Clinton, O'Bama and Biden made no business deals that resulted in them gaining wealth while they were Presidents? If so, you are even more I'll informed than I believed.

Good Lord, have you EVER seen such a classic example of WHATABOUTISM?

Here’s some emojis for you, since you like them so much 😂😂😂

PS and still no response to any of the other 4 articles I posted. It’s almost like they simply don’t exist! Not even a “fake news!!!” 😂

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Good Lord, have you EVER seen such a classic example of WHATABOUTISM?

Here’s some emojis for you, since you like them so much 😂😂😂

PS and still no response to any of the other 4 articles I posted. It’s almost like they simply don’t exist! Not even a “fake news!!!” 😂

Here's my reply. I think pretty much every US President in history has been dodgy, just as every future one will be. I think Trump might do some great things but also believe he has the potential to bring about destruction on a mass scale. I do like the fact he has flipped the script on all the woke, liberal cry babies who tried so hard to impeach, charge, denigrate and weaponise the media in an attempt to keep him out of the White House. It's funny watching Trump return serve with more power.

But as for being a MAGA't or part of any other political group. I'm not your guy.

 

[47MVEagle]

Here's my reply. I think pretty much every US President in history has been dodgy, just as every future one will be. I think Trump might do some great things but also believe he has the potential to bring about destruction on a mass scale. I do like the fact he has flipped the script on all the woke, liberal cry babies who tried so hard to impeach, charge, denigrate and weaponise the media in an attempt to keep him out of the White House. It's funny watching Trump return serve with more power.

But as for being a MAGA't or part of any other political group. I'm not your guy.

I agree with your first 2 points but will add that no other president has been so obvious about it nor have they endorsed or advertised goods while serving.

I disagree with your 3rd point. Do you think Trump having records of black & female members of staff deleted from historical government archives is simply flipping the script on “woke, liberal cry babies”?

(I cringe typing that term out, despite doing so because I’m quoting you, it’s just so pathetic to label anyone who doesn’t approve of Trump as that).

Do you think it’s appropriate that Trump uses the power his position gives him to “return serve”?

EDIT: to add source evidence:

“Arlington National Cemetery has scrubbed from its website information and educational materials about the history of black and female service members.
Some of the content removed from the site was on veterans who had received the nation's highest military recognition, the Medal of Honor, according to military news site Task & Purpose.
The content removal is part of a larger effort by President Donald Trump to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) practices in the military and throughout the federal government.”

Arlington Cemetery strips content on black and female veterans from website

The Army-run cemetery said it is working to follow Trump's orders on ending diversity while restoring information.

www.bbc.com

 

[Cliffycomeback]

I agree with your first 2 points but will add that no other president has been so obvious about it nor have they endorsed or advertised goods while serving.

I disagree with your 3rd point. Do you think Trump having records of black & female members of staff deleted from historical government archives is simply flipping the script on “woke, liberal cry babies”?

(I cringe typing that term out, despite doing so because I’m quoting you, it’s just so pathetic to label anyone who doesn’t approve of Trump as that).

Do you think it’s appropriate that Trump uses the power his position gives him to “return serve”?

EDIT: to add source evidence:

“Arlington National Cemetery has scrubbed from its website information and educational materials about the history of black and female service members.
Some of the content removed from the site was on veterans who had received the nation's highest military recognition, the Medal of Honor, according to military news site Task & Purpose.
The content removal is part of a larger effort by President Donald Trump to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) practices in the military and throughout the federal government.”

Arlington Cemetery strips content on black and female veterans from website

The Army-run cemetery said it is working to follow Trump's orders on ending diversity while restoring information.

www.bbc.com

I don't think everyone who disagrees with Trump is a woke cry baby. That comment was directed towards the many people in America who behave in a way befitting of the label.

 

[Highflier]

There's more than one way to insult someone. I generally prefer to be upfront about it (as opposed, for example, to simply disrespecting another persons' point by ridiculing it/pretending you never saw it/deflection/diversion etc

(PS ...and... 'counsellor'? I'm not American, and I'm not a lawyer (I work as a gardener)

ok sure, well there is a lot of ignoring others POV in fact, in this thread in particular, its riddled with misinformation, disinformation and dare I say it Fake News,,,, there I said it
As for the term Counsellor I could have sworn you had some legal training or expertise in the past that was exercised at some point in a discussion possibly on someone's contract etc .
Anyways my mistake, I guess.
You have a nice day now

 

[Highflier]

I agree with your first 2 points but will add that no other president has been so obvious about it nor have they endorsed or advertised goods while serving.

I disagree with your 3rd point. Do you think Trump having records of black & female members of staff deleted from historical government archives is simply flipping the script on “woke, liberal cry babies”?

(I cringe typing that term out, despite doing so because I’m quoting you, it’s just so pathetic to label anyone who doesn’t approve of Trump as that).

Do you think it’s appropriate that Trump uses the power his position gives him to “return serve”?

EDIT: to add source evidence:

“Arlington National Cemetery has scrubbed from its website information and educational materials about the history of black and female service members.
Some of the content removed from the site was on veterans who had received the nation's highest military recognition, the Medal of Honor, according to military news site Task & Purpose.
The content removal is part of a larger effort by President Donald Trump to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) practices in the military and throughout the federal government.”

Arlington Cemetery strips content on black and female veterans from website

The Army-run cemetery said it is working to follow Trump's orders on ending diversity while restoring information.

www.bbc.com

47MVE what you have quoted is not the entire story there. While I'm not sure that it would be my first action point if I was in their position, Trump and Secretary of War wanted to remove DEI from the Military (not a bad thing).What they have done is remove the categories of African American or Hispanic, Female etc and instead included them in Prominent Military figures or Significant Science and Technolgy achievements etc , based on the contribution to their country versus highlighting their race, colour, creed or gender. So they haven't just been obliterated from the records just been categorized more along the lines of their achievements